Deaf Bilingual Coalition: One Issue of Transparency
Denver – Good afternoon, everybody! I hope your summer has gone well. I have been busy conserving fuel by hitch-hiking across the country. It was hot outside! Cars zipped past! People waved and honked! And then I finally arrived at my destination – the newspaper outside the front door of my house!
I am not kidding you!
HaHa!
I’m just messin’ with all ya’ll. Can ya dig it, ya’know what I’m sayin’?
Anyway .. I am sorry I have not blogged much lately. And to be quite honest with all ya’ll, I have been keeping track of the DBC/Deafhood scandal as it continues to grow online.
What I mean to say is that there was nothing new for me to add until just recently. And as is my customary habit, I waited until I had read enough different opinions and perspectives to begin my own commentary/blogging. And then I discovered an interesting twist to the ongoing DBC/Deafhood scandal.
A DeafRead Editor has recently revealed that she was a former founding member of the Deaf Bilingual Coalition and requested/demanded the current DBC leaders – a “trio” of Deafhood proponents – resign from their posts within the DBC. Such is the need for “transparency” that many people are asking the DBC leadership to “come clean” or face further criticisms from the deaf/hoh blogosphere.
Another of the former founding members of the DBC stated the Deafhood Trio had unethically overtaken the DBC leadership. In fact, the reason why former founding members of the DBC waited so long to go public with their demands for transparency has to do with fear and “oppression.” She states:
I felt like going back to square one, being totally oppressed. It reminded me of old days at Gally when everything was nearly always behind closed doors.
The DeafRead Editor has admitted she was not being transparent in regard to the DBC leadership, yet she allowed the DBC’s postings to be picked up on DeafRead. Not too long ago, Rachel was banned by DeafRead, and the explanation states:
The lack of transparency also violates the trust of DeafRead viewers.
DeafRead does not tolerate any deliberate deception by any blogs. DeafRead values its credibility and embraces impartiality by enforcing its guidelines.
The DeafRead Editor remained mum regarding the DBC’s lack of transparency while Rachel’s banishment swirled throughout DeafRead. Instead of enforcing the Guidelines and banishing the DBC from DeafRead (as well as the Deafhood “trio”), the DeafRead Editor choose to hide the obvious and blatant hypocrisy exhibited by DeafRead’s decision to ban Rachel – much like the revelations concerning the Deafhood group seizing control of the DBC leadership.
So, let’s review: the DeafRead Editor has allowed other people to experience the DBC’s “oppression” for as long as the Editor has been a former founding DBC member. And as a DeafRead Editor, in which calls for banishment on DeafRead were issued by DBC leaders, the Editor choose to remain silent about the DBC’s lack of transparency and “oppression” for whatever reason(s).
If people want real accountability, then DeafRead owes Rachel a major apology; and if the Editor truly wants accountability to take place by the DBC leadership in the form of resignations, then the Editor should resign as DeafRead Editor. She should resign because she failed by selectively allowing other people (Rachel) to experience the very same forms of “oppression” “summarily” applied towards herself and other former DBC founding members. Or, she selectively and conveniently allowed the DBC and Deafhood articles to be picked upon DeafRead – despite the clear violation of the Guidelines (lack of transparency) that have been known to her for a long time – and continued to perpetuate the “oppression” she seeks to end.
Anyway, I have to go now – I need to go to the nursery for gardening supplies – but the point of today’s article is not that the Editor may have deceived DeafRead readers and violated their trust by withholding information and engaging in conflicting, double-standards with regard to DeafRead’s Guidelines. The point here is that integrity-driven accountability has to be practiced before it is preached – not conveniently after the fact.
The DBC still sucks!
DUH.
UPDATE: The DeafRead Editor described DBC leaders as (in the same article):
“Instead of being willing to discuss this with the concerned members of the Deaf Community, they attacked those who gave them constructive feedback, using intimidation tactics and utilizing some of theirs followers to speak up for them.”
Let’s review s’more of her comments on her blog dated 7/11/2008:
“The deprivation of fully accessible communication is forbidden in prisons as an unusual and cruel punishment.”
“The Deaf leaders should be able to handle constructive feedback professionally without restoring into negative and destructive attacks to denigrate concerned Deaf people.”
“I hope DBC will continue to be successful. All I am asking is the organization to show transparency, integrity, and tolerance for Deaf members.”
January 24, 2008, I published an article in response to the same Editor’s emotional outburst against a CI-friendly commentator (note: I have long stated the Editor in question has been blatantly anti-CI in her “research” efforts, to which I have alluded as a form of seeking acceptance from DBC leaders)
December 21, 2007 – AGBell.info (DBC web site) – Mr. John Egbert states:
“Paotie,
I had to delete your comment on this post because I am doing this for your own good because people may start wondering if you have a sociopath personality.
Look up this,
http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.htmlJohn”
“I had brain tumor taken out of my head two and half years ago but I feel great. I don’t want to use that as an excuse but I might not be 100 perfect.” – John Egbert
Deaf Pundit (a former founding member of the DBC) issued a complaint to John Egbert regarding Deafhood and the DBC on December 16, 2007:
” .. but you and your friends, all proponents of Deafhood, are constantly preaching that the Deaf Community has to have open dialogue so we can grow”
Deaf Pundit also commented at another DeafRead Editor’s blog dated 6/26/2008:
“And I have to add: I am also very glad to see that DBC has become more professional. This is what the Deaf Community needs.
I wish everyone at the DBC conference good luck, and PLEASE stay safe – be prepared for AG Bell supporters to be hostile to the point of physical violence. Don’t let them drag you into that.”
John Egbert’s 12/16/2007 demand to “REMOVE THOSE DEFICIT THINKERS!”:
“Should someone have a poll and see what the faithful DeafRead.com Blog/Vlog readers feel about the parasites deficit thinkers before 2008 DeafRead Conference?”
DeafRead Owner/Editor states in a DeafRead posting dated 12/17/2007:
“Nor is it about telling you what you can write, and what you cannot write.” [Note: I have been told by more than two DeafRead Editors to change/modify/edit an article of mine]
“Keep your friends close, but keep your enemy closer”
Brian Riley, DBC “core” member states, 12/16/2007:
“It’s also John’s [Egbert] prerogative to try to convince the [DeafRead] owner(s) to kick out the trash talkers.”
Ben .. you asked a great question: “How did the Deafhood group ‘overtake’ the DBC?”
The answer is simple, my friend: DeafRead. Everything stops and starts with DeafRead when we’re talking about Deafhood and the DBC. Without DeafRead, neither organization would be where they are today, as evidenced by the outpouring of alleged evidence against the DBC/Deafhood leadership – which first appeared ON DeafRead (and later went to Deaf Village – as you know, was borne from DeafRead’s lack of transparency).
Be good .. or be good at it.
Paotie
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Oh Paotie
I just wanted to point out: “A DeafRead Editor has recently revealed that she was a former founding member of the Deaf Bilingual Coalition and requested/demanded the current DBC leaders – a “trio” of Deafhood proponents – resign from their posts within the DBC.” I think, from what I’ve read, she didn’t ask for resignation but rather, transparency.
But I have, in a comment, somewhere…
As for your DeafRead argument–I agree totally. The proper action for people to do is email the editors of DeafRead about their complaints and let DeafRead investigate this matter.
I trust that they will make the best decision.
Really good to see you back, Paotie.
-Ben
Ben ..
Did she not ask them to “leave?”
Leave = resign?
Paotie
Ben ..
Well, I guess I thought I saw Mishka declare she wanted the DH leaders to “leave”. SOMEBODY did.
Anyway, it is ridiculous for people to assume that the DBC leadership will change, especially in light of the more recent allegations (the AIM bit, for example). So, to ask them to CHANGE is just not going to work.
Why doesn’t Mishka just admit what she wants – the DBC/Deafhood group to leave?
She writes in her blog, “All I ask is transparency and show conflicting messages directly from DBC. This type of behavior is the intimidation factor that inhibits many Deaf people from speaking candidly.”
And she’s ASKING these people to do what? Be transparent?
Uh-huh.
That’s funny.
Paotie
Yay! You’re back blogging! *exerts a sigh of relief*
Dianerez, one of the former founding DBC members said that the trio needed to leave in her comment in MZ’s post.
And another commenter did too.
I find it disturbing that one would hold back important revealing information for so long, out of oppression? fear of being rejected?
I think that if one comes out with revelation sooner, it could have saved DBC. Right now, DBC is done for.
I hope this is a lesson we all can remember for the future.
Great post Paotie!
Keep em coming!
PAAAAAOOOOOOTIE! Yah!
Mishka has admitted that the scandal at http://www.DBCFacts.com is awful and sad. She also has admitted that the reason why she LEFT the DBC.
Boot-out? Different story? Dunno.
She banned you for the sexual/flirty words? Candy saw that, too. Ha, ha, ha.
Are we your hot and pink chicks? Ha, Ha, Ha! I think I should put the diamond on my belly button.
What an irony!
DR editors accused Rachel of “lack of transparency”, and then one of them wants DBC to be transparent, while self-same editor lacks transparency with DR readers, when she knew something was going wrong at DBC for some time.
Maybe it was a good thing that Hocokan was the whistle-blower after all…he’s not a DR editor, LOL.
White Ghost ..
HaHa!
Mishka banned me because I asked her to “prove” her claims.
Yup! Put a diamond in the navel! SEXY!
WOO HOO!!
Take good care of it though.
Paotie
Ann ..
Yup! As the same Editor says, “This gets weirder and weirder.”
HaHa!
Paotie
Hey Ann_C!
I think Paotie should contact Dr. Hocokan.
Dr. Hocokan is truly a whistleblower!
Funny, just remembered that the DR in DR Hocokan is supposedly Barry’s middle name (just initials, like J.R. Ewing of “Dallas”), not Dr as in doctor. DR, eh…DeafRead is typically initialled as DR.
Oh, never mind…stupid joke.
Paotie,
I gotta defend Mishka here. She’s felt that DBC, since the majority of it, wanted to include Deafhood, they had that right. About the fiscal relationship between DBC/CAD/Deafhood, these information came out only recently.
Most of us are surprised at these findings.
Mishka, in spite of our disagreements and stuff, has been a steady voice among us, you know. She has stood up for you, Paotie, when she points out to the leaders that they take in questionably ethical actions such as intimidation, using supporters in place, and not listening to the consitutents (sp? sorry). She might not agree with you but she will defend your right to say whatever you want to say.
I think maybe, we should give her some credit. Yeah, she might be neutral in terms of how she words things and not tread dangerous waters like we do.
I mean, especially when Ella basically clumped her with me (implication: along with you and Mike as well), that was quite a feat on Mishka’s behalf…She defended us all saying that we have the right to be answered…
Let’s give her that at least
You and I should just keep going on and be bold whether anyone agrees or not.
deafhood and the current state of DBC suck.
-ben
Ben ..
You said:
“I mean, especially when Ella basically clumped her with me (implication: along with you and Mike as well), that was quite a feat on Mishka’s behalf…She defended us all saying that we have the right to be answered…”
I am sorry – Mishka will never speak for me, ever. I do not care if Ella bitch-slapped Mishka for being meek and timid and told her, “shoo away, puny Deaf Expert.” That is not of my concern, especially in light of the fact Mishka is a tabloid reporter, pretending to be “neutral.”
If you do not know by now, she has NEVER been neutral about Deafhood or the DBC. If she had been neutral, she would have POINTED out LOTS of things A LONG fucking time ago.
And if you want me to give her credit for defending me during Mr. Egbert’s (DBC founder for those not in the know) “deficit thinker” fun-ride, fine, I will. But I will also ask that you recognize that she CONTRIBUTED to that little fun-run with Mr. Egbert.
It’s like telling a lie in a group of people: as the lie spreads around, the person who started the lie goes to the person the lie is based on and says, “Do not worry – I will defend you.”
Paotie
I am DONE with DBC and Deafhood.
I had a lot of questions about both of them, especially with the attitudes and now with evidences glaring in our faces, well, I have to take it at the face value and to move on. So far we are still hearing thunderous silence from DBC and DH. Dr.Don is still running around, trying to glorify Deafhood.
Stupid. I have never said, online, DBC sucked before so this time, I am going to say it for the first time… DBC sucks. DH needs to distance itself from DBC immediately. Hearing people don’t need this DH shit.
Deafhood… what a big joke.
Now, what is up with NAD??? Did they decide to vote DH into the NAD’s administration?
“Ella bitch-slapped MIshka for being meek and timid and told her, “shoo-away, puny Deaf Expert.”
Ella have slapped many, many people in the blogosphere. She have intimidated many people right now. As far as I can see in her, eventhough, I *never* met her, she’s the hardest core-miliant.
So, Mishka isn’t the only one who got slapped by Ella.
Obviously, Ella likes to watch the soap opera on the TV….she must have seen and learned from many actresses to slap at actors. LOL.
Paotie… please check email.
karen,
I would vote for you as president for a bilingual deaf children whatnot.
paotie,
I’m sure she has contributed her part to this. just like I have before you gloriously pointed out how deafhood was bullshit and came down with the smartest comebacks I couldn’t imagine topping. lol
For deafhood, you’d be surprised if you asked her what her stance on it was. As for DBC, it’s her baby, of course she wants it to succeed. bombarding it with shit like DR Hocokan is doing will do nothing but shut it down–which I think it is in the process of…
I think mishka was hoping that they’d go through stumbles and recover from it. Apparently that’s not the case.
mishka is human, she should be allowed fuck ups
I know I’ve had my share lolol
enough about mishka.
I am so tempted to VP one of Ella’s good friends (who happens to be good friends with my mother as well) and have a message go directly to Ella herself from me. I’m not sure if that’s a smart thing to do but…
I think somebody needs to tell her to step up, grow up, and take it. She made her bed, now go lie in it.
We’ll see, we’ll see.
Let’s wait until i’m feeling devious.
-ben
Well, Ben, IMO, I think your mother should VP to one of Ella’s good friends that she knows. In order to avoid putting her into an awkward position, best for you to avoid that kind of situation and let your Mom to handle accordingly.
Ah, my mom’s friend knows me since I was born.
I believe the friend was one of the people who helped me along with my fluency of ASL during my infancy. If anything, I can claim friendship with the person.
I’m gonna wait on it.
Ben
Ben,
Take the high road.
Ella will have to decide for herself if her role in DBC is hurting the deaf community or not.
Deafhoodism Voodoo – click here.
Nice timing, Paotie. Surprised to see this blog.
LOL Ann_C.
Some people just are THAT dense.
With 4 out of 6 ex-DBC members speaking up now, Ella is losing her cred, Ben. Don’t think she can keep ignoring those numbers.
Mishka ..
As usual, you use other people – you know how to reach me.
STOP using other people for your own personal interests.
Paotie
you’d be surprised, Ann_C. She is the status quo, a lot of deafies are afraid to challenge her. Challenging her is like challenging the foundations of the Deaf community. I remember having a debate with someone and I off handedly said oh Ella’s wrong.
their eyes widened and asked me how I could challenge a pillar of the community.
She ain’t my God that much is true.
-Ben
paotie,
it wasn’t mishka (if you’re referring to my comments) that asked me to do this. This was all my doing.
I apologize if I may have seemed like I was mishka’s mouthpiece…
unlike her, I will say DBC sucks and Ella needs a lobotomy.
-ben
Well, Ella IS AFRAID of us. She even said that DeafRead was not a safe place for her, so she obviously feels challenged by us, hmmm???
I think she is more afraid of us because we have nothing to lose, to be honest, Karen. We are considered “outcasts” of the community and she has succeeded in branding us that way. The more we talk, the more we “prove” her point.
What do we got to lose? How un-deafer can we get? LOL! *shrugs*
For a lot of deaf people, being labeled as “against deaf” is pretty much the ultimate insult. Since most of them are not really bound to the community except through friendships and schools, they feel they have more to lose.
I live in a deaf household, I have deaf friends all across the world. No matter what they say about me, whether or not I’m “against deaf” I’ll still be here. There’s no pushing us out on this one…
I think what happened was, she is floored that we the few and with nothing to lose have managed to garner enough of the community to speak out against her–and if she answers to us, she’s validating what we’ve always been saying.
I don’t think she’ll ever get that far–validating us, that is.
-Ben
Ben,
I can imagine her snorting at us, feeling that we are too colonized beyond any hopes for deafhood. ;o)
LOL, colonized or not,
As I’ve written at Mishka’s blog (might get moderated):
“White Ghost,
I’m going to go ahead and make a comparison: perhaps, Mishka would moderate this one…
I call Ella the “Nero” of the deaf community. She is over there somewhere playing her fiddle while “Rome,” the deaf community is burning down. Come to think of it, she started the fire and dares to play the fiddle as all of Rome goes down in flames.
The Romans won’t take this sitting down. History has proven that much.
-Ben”
Colonialized or not, she’s playing the fiddle while Rome burns. Never a good thing.
nopes, Never.
-Ben
Maybe I should change my blog to “ben Vess speaks” uhmm..
LOL Der Sankt is almost obselete
And, Ben, getting us moderates blamed… like getting Christians blamed for Rome burning ;o)
I apologize if I seem to be out of my league here. I’m primarily immersed in the hearing world, having little contact with deaf people. There are so few of us to begin with. However, I can imagine that the deaf community is much like living in a small town where everybody knows everybody, including the dirty laundry. With that in mind…
How the hell did Ella get put up on a pedestal?
Karen,
Damn straight!
Ann_C
She is a poet. I believe she was the one who single handedly managed to put ASL poetry on equal stature as English poems. I’ve seen her poetry and they are truly moving…
Now that I think on it, I want to do a vlog tonight…
Using one of her poetry against what she’s doing now!
-ben
Lobotomy! Ha!
……and she needs to go to Psychiatric Clinic so they can treat her from cult to cult-free and from anti-organic white cotton gown to organic peace cotton gown.
Nero…..well, Olympic is coming up. Flames still going on……It’s part of Rome and Greece.
Lobotomy, lobotomy, and lobotomy! The procedure would be best carried out by a mexican who crossed the border within the hour of surgery since the procedure itself is illegal and the choice of surgeon will not bring on a malpractice suit.
We’ll just deport the damn mexican and Ella would still be without frontal lobes.
problem solved, *nods*
-ben
A poet?
Maybe poetry is what Ella needs to stick to, poetry itself is a form of powerful activism. Robert Frost proved that. She’s in the wrong place at DBC.
No, Ann_C.
Paddy Ladd proved Ella wrong. Paddy Ladd’s book is in the dry place. Therefore, Ella is in the wrong place at DBC.
Ella can be a poet again.
But when have Robert Frost smeared his comptency with utter stupidity like deafhood?
Her poetry carries less weight now and can be seen as propaganda.
her loss.
Ben
Ann_C
Transcript already made…where and how you think I should post it? A new entry?
-Ben
It done be posted!
Ben
After a very hot and long dry spell here, it is raining at long last.
The dam’s broken, and we all need to just cool off here and watch the water flow…
We should swim!
DBC knows now it can’t count on FEMA to rescue them…
Ben
Hee.
Well, I am not going to comment on DBC and DH anymore… since they are not part of my everyday vocabulary. I do see John E. trying to do some damage control on a few blogs… where is his media press? They should do some damage control, not JE.
Well. Gonna be a beautiful dry warm day so we will hit the pool today, getting to start the last 4 weeks of summer break for my kids before they go back to school on Aug. 11th.
Good to see you, Paotie. May your dissertation go well for you.
Just saw Jaime Berke’s Outspoken blog…..she got upset over the AIM with the screen names.
FBI can get the AIM and the meeting room pretty easily. Makes no difference.
We do not know the AIM’s room and their passwords. Makes no difference.
I’ll be out of the loop for two/three days. I’ll do my best surfing yours and others, especially the DBC’s scandal sheets.
Just write the deaf-hood-free thesis in your dissertation. Hee, hee, hee.
check outmy guest vlogger!
But you know what is sad about this whole thing – it really divides us all into bits and pieces. And now the hearing community when they come across us – not all of us are alike. They just don’t realize the damage that is being done. We are being divided – and now we’ll never win as one.
we were never as one…there was never unity.
This is deaf politics, ladies and gentleman!
I’m waiting for someone to come clean about having a love affair between a AG Bell and a DBC core member.
Ella made a new vlog–and it isn’t even her:
this is my comment on her blog (awaiting moderation of course)
“I’m going to go ahead and say this, I’ve realized the need to be bold now: Ella, you are a coward.
The community has asked for YOU, not some woman lecturing us on the bible you’ve decided would speak on your behalf. Yes, I’ve judged you–I don’t believe in your God.
Your God, Jesus, would have never behaved the way you did. Wasn’t it YOUR God who said this : “People were also bringing babies to Jesus to have him touch them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.”
Your God wouldn’t dare turn his own people away and hide. That’s what you are doing, Ella. Being a coward.
You disgust me.
My name is Ben Vess and these are my words, mine alone.”
I see Ella quickly closed comments.
I made a vlog.
Shutting me up is not going to be an easy task.
-Ben
I find it lame that Ella would have someone come out and preach the judge lest ye not be judged message.
She is mixing things up. She still needs to be held accountable for what she did.
She needs to come out and say something.
Well, let’s see what Ben has to say.
OH, a strong vlog all right. Ella does need to come out and stand up for what she believes in, not hiding behind someone’s back.
It is as if they are hoping that the furor would die down so that they could move on doing their thing. They forget one thing… we deaf people have elephant memories ;o)
Ironic that Ella wrote a blog article called “The Elephant in the Deaf Room.”
The Elephant in Ella’s Room is the deaf community.
Rockin’ blog.
I note how many people are talking about the lack of discourse which DBC is having with people. Is this truly the case? It seems like a waste. Deafhood teaches us to have an open discourse.
J
Hey Paotie!!
You did it again!! Totally awesome! All points are valid.
Since the day way back when John Egghead and his cronies started to TRY to belittle and damn you and others like you was the day that I lost all creditability with DBC and their group of power mongers. Now that DH and DR had ties with DBC, they all have lost it! Totally and absolutely!
To me the whole thing was about power and how much each had. And we know that power corrupts absolutely! Viola! Down goes DBC, DH and that ugly coward Ella.
It is too bad really cuz they really could have been something if they just had a little more open-mindness and open-heartness. Just a little bit and all would have be kosher. But no, they have to be the “expert”, “leader” and “know-it-alls” and tell everyone else opposed them just a little was declared the “enemy” of the deaf community. In short, like Ben says, they were playing god. Shame on them!
My man! Keep this coming cuz people need to be shown the “other” (right) side of things!
*high five*
Brian,
I loved how you called them assholes!
For that posting, I will not censor anything. SInce I opened the doors to these kind of things.
thank you for your support!
Ben
What does name-calling accomplish anyways seriously? I know we don’t agree with the philosophy and the attitudes that have been built but it still doesn’t mean that we have to resort to name-calling. We are adults here -
Billy,
One has to go back to who started the name-calling to begin with since last year after DBC was recently formed.
Paotie merely said, “DBC sucks” after outlining various problems about DBC in a blog article of his. Then John Egbert of DBC called Paotie a number of names– “deficit thinker”, “sociopath”, “sicko”, and “colonialized”. A couple of those names reflect Deafhood thinking, and whose influence was that? Paotie didn’t resort to name-calling, he called a spade a spade, and then got attacked for it.
Who was the adult here?
I really do understand that – but the point i was trying to make why should we stoop to their levels. If they choose to utilize those name-calling then it will be upon them. Then it becomes easy to question their professionalism. That is all I am really trying to indicate. I know there is alot of heat going on right now – and i can see it – sadly.
Billy,
Understand your point, which is why I’ve refrained from the name-calling myself. Name-calling is an attack on the person, not on the issue being discussed to begin with.
If DBC leadership had refrained from the name-calling and reined in their personal agendas to forward the cause of DBC on a professional and courteous basis, a lot of the furor over DBC and Deafhood probably would never have happened.
As it is, a lot of people now feel that DBC leadership has been UNprofessional. Paotie and a few other bloggers already knew this a long time ago and had tried to bring awareness to what was going wrong in DBC. It took a while.
Ben: You’re welcome and many more to come!
Ann_C, thanks! You hit the nail on the head!
Ann_C and Billy, I know the harm of name-calling and all that as that was part of my upbringing. I shouldn’t have to scoop to that level.
Billy: I don’t regret my words and I mean them 100%. You can read it or not, it is up to you. Just that sometimes things just needs to be more strongly expressed as it is not getting thru to some people! I know violence begets more violence. We know it.. So, I kow what I’m doing. Thank you for asking.
No worries.
I just would think we would want to show that we can be bigger than they are. And it is a free speech so everyone is entitled to say what they want and feel. So 
No worries,
Just giving you a little piece of who I am. But I do appreciate words of wisdom and do try to adhere to them! AND I do believe in constructive dialogs, so please, keep them coming! Cool?
Huh uh, Brian is somewhat emotional while I am more “level-headed”, all right. We don’t always see eye to eye
)
Yea, true! But she helps keep me calm, so bless her heart! And it must be entertaining cuz she is still with me!! LOL!
Hugs!
Brian!?!
You are HIJACKING my blog! HOW DARE YOU!
SHAME ON YOU!!
HaHa!
Long time no see, Brian! Always good to see you here.
Paotie
Yes, Paotie has been right along. I knew he was right, and I immediately suspected Deafhood’s role in DBC when I heard of Ella and DE’s being core members, having attended their workshop last fall. I noticed there were a very few of us who spoke up (“moderates”.)
But somewhere in me I hoped that there’d be some sane people who would amount to realistic goals, pointing out the flaw of DH, etc.
I was wrong.
Barry stepped out of darkness and exposed Deafhood.
Other people stepped out.
I was glad to see it happening, since we waited for that for a long time. Truth. But I felt guilty for some deaf people feeling crushed… but then people need to know what deafhood really is…and be able to separate deaf babies from Deafhood. It is all up to deaf babies who’d grow up to making their own decisions.
Then, who are we kidding? We like drama on DR ;o)
BAAHHH AHHH HAHH!
*rubbing hands*
Hey pal!! Good to be back! I got sick of all the crap that was going around in the past and just sat around on your green couch watching the fireworks and eating popcorn! You know the good ‘ol days!
Then I thought I miss my voice and the hell with it and screamed!! FIRE!! Or is it more like ASSHOLES!!
Sorry and I’ll keep busy with you all cuz we all have a mission! So, my man, keep it up and I’ll keep at it!
*high five*
Really funny to see your extremely small group of lame worshipers panting after every word of your blog. They are obviously an intimidated group of sheep afraid to stand up for themselves. You and Mike are in a class of your own. You must be very proud, Joshua Dawson.
Dear “Lion among sheep” ..
If we are an “extremely small group”, then what is it to you? If we were an “extremely small group”, we would be insignificant to you.
You must be very proud of us, leaving such a comment.
Thank you for your support!
Paotie
First patti durr, then Joey Baer are now leaving DeafRead because of “poisonous atmosphere”, that DR has allowed the bashing and personal attacks. They don’t feel safe anymore.
They forget how poisonous DR was when Rachel’s blog got banned.
Well all it takes is one censorship of a popular person and then everything else downfalls from there. Now that some popular names are leaving deafread – will another blogging aggregator site come up?
Joey and Patti are leaving as a political statement. Joey and Patti left because people are wanting accountability from Ella and the rest of the DBC core members. Another diversion instead of dealing with the issue at hand.
John Eggbert is even not addressing things directly, he is still pointing his fingers at AGBell.
Ben, bless his heart, is trying to bring people together by way of doing the right thing.
Nothing is going to be fixable until people own up to their actions.
All of this was brought on by DR Hocokan and the other former DBC core members. Yet, John E is saying he was the founder. Who’s telling the truth?
Bringing people back in order to fix past wrongs isn’t the way to go. Apologizing for past deeds is.
For one, I’d like to see John Eggbert apologize to Paotie. In the beginning Paotie wanted to help and saw this “ASL and English” ideology to be awesome! What did John Eggbert do? Ya all remember.
I for one was about to get involve with DBC and contribute to it as much as I can by working in the background. I don’t want fame. I just want to give and not get credit for it. But then, DBC wasn’t what it claimed to be. And after seeing all that nastiness by certain people within DBC towards others, I backed out. And, not only did I back out, I used my blog to make a statement.
I know there are many talents from many deaf people that have been lost due to all this sad state of affairs. We have lost great talents from all kinds of deaf people from all walks of life.
As long as people are not willling to welcome ALL, ALL is lost.
I am still see divisions among the many comments.
Yes, Candy. I notice more conflicting messages than before. What disturbs me is Dr. Don’s new personal vendatta against Barry (check out his latest postings about snake oil and false prophets.)
Paotie and a few of us have been right along… and we were despised as moderates on DR (still do, I guess.) I was surprised to view Aidan’s vlog, in which she stated she’d like Rachel to come back to DR.
Also, I noticed that we had our own definition of diversity and unity. In order to bring about unity, we need to understand diversity first. But clashes come over how we should embrace diversity, so… *shrug*
Off of the point, I want to point out one thing… about At The Rim blog. I notice that a VERY few people comment on MM’s blog… I wonder why. His postings are very crystal clear and very rational, like life is, no dirtying around, etc. I wonder if his level of writing is too advanced for us American deafies (you know, there is some talk about deafies having low reading comprehension… which might explain why almost no one comment on MM’s blog???) Or is it because he is British, therefore not important to American readers???
I noticed that the most “unpopular” bloggers are the ones who are the most rational, most sane, most down-to-earth, brilliant, etc…guess that is why people feel threatened by their writing?
Ok. Back from my vacation. Wrote up a blog on the way back from Texas. It’s called “Deaf Nirvana.” Cllick on my name to see it.
Time for bed. A long 10 hour drive.
Hello everybody! I was not aware of this blog site because I’ve been soaking myself in DR and DVTV, educating everybody about DBC. I took in many VP calls from strangers and educated each one of them. Many of them were disappointed in me but after health dialogues they supported our quest for transparency and integrity. The words are getting out and it’s very effective when we communicate directly with the people.
I wanted to thank each one of you for your support. Without you my quest for integrity would have drowned in the ocean and nobody would have noticed it.
So sorry I was not aware of this blog site until this morning. I’m posting my new blog / vlog this morning. Stay tuned!
http://theorgiscoming.blogspot.com/2008/07/dbc-organization-is-coming.html
Well, there is a sense of anti-climax from DBC situation now. Just… boring.
And it is interesting to see how the furor over DBC got a few v/bloggers leaving DeafRead, blaming DeafRead when it is the v/bloggers who are to blame (they moderate the comments, after all.)
We deaf people are fussy about defining DeafRead. *shrug*
Let me tell ya, DR has lost EXCELLENT bloggers… you (Paotie) and Candy. Sadly, I guess that we deaf people have problems with learning to appreciate more than one side of everything…. can’t think outside the box, so to speak. Lately, DR has been one-sided so it is kinda boring. Extras are interesting to read (I enjoy Chef at Large, since I love cooking, and Mountain Mama a lot.) I have to admit that Paotie’s blog is a bit hard for me to read (I feel like a fool when I realize I misinterpret whatever message he is sending out… that tells me that my reading comprehension is not up to par as I’d like to believe ;o) ) Guess that is why many deaf people felt threatened by Paotie when Paotie subsribed to DR.
Okay, take care.
Hey, check out Signs of the Time’s latest posting. What do you think of it?
So it all comes down to feeling secure and the ability to follow the languages, idioms, humor, after all. But I notice that most of blogs on DeafRead is written in English and DeafVideo.TV in ASL. Hmmm…. vlogger who left DeafRead could always stay in DeafVideo.TV. Whatever.
Update from Deafread…as of July 20, 2008.
22 minutes of thank notes from the DBC…..I’m yawning. No by-laws, no foundations, no apologies. Boo-Hoo.
All they said, “Quack, quack, quack and go on…….”
Looking forward to watching the Olympics.
Yeah… DBC is a boring subject for me now, since I notice no changes in its status *shrug*. But it shows a great divide which deaf people blame AGBell for, not knowing that it is themselves that are responsible for. AGBell did say it would be willing to work with DBC IF DBC FORMALLY requested to work with AGBell… soooo….
I’m commenting now because I’ve been gone on vacation for the past few weeks – I just wanted to make a clarification…
I am NOT a founding member of DBC. MishkaZena asked me to join DBC several months after it was established. So I joined, saw some serious crap go down between Anne Marie/DE and MishkaZena/DE, then I quit.
As for DBC being banned from DeafRead, and the editors’ hypocrisy, I think some of them were naive to how greedy some core members were. I immediately recognized it, but I had no evidence to support my theories, because I was not really welcomed within DBC, and was not able to get sufficient information to the extent that Dr. H did. From what I saw, the editors weren’t as welcomed either, so they didn’t have the appropriate information to ban DBC from DR. Just my opinion.
Deaf Pundit!
Nice to seeing you in this famous Paotie’s blog! I’m glad to know that you are making some clarifications….I was thinking of you on the day of MishkaZena’s announcement.
I know what you went through….as well as Iammine’s.
Make sure if DBC have the official by-laws and the foundations. If not, no safe havens.
Dr. Hocokan did the right thing for exposing the DBC’s original cores and its scandal. I commended him for doing his courage to protect the deaf community from all the “so-called” scandals.
Paotie is right all all all along. Bet Public Policy at school have taught him everything!
Paotie, Say “Thanks to the Public Policy at School” for 22 minutes!
Clarification: DBC isn’t banned from DR – I was replying to Paotie’s suggestion that DBC SHOULD be banned.
And yes, I am NOT a founding member, but I was a CORE member. Sorry for the confusion.
Huh, my kids’ doctor ordered that they laid off of swimming for a week, since both have virus which they got from attending the pools. So I am spending more time on computer than usual today.
I see that one blog (in extra) was out to get you, Barry, Ben and RR… asking for a vote on which was the worst apple on DR. Jim does not know that you and RR are not on DR’s subscription list.
Whatever.
And human editors allow that posting to go through, to be in extra? It should be moderated, not allowing any mudslinging. Double standards… where is respect and civility that Taylor asked for???? Which human editor allowed it to go through?
Well I left a comment that this poll is totally so high schoolish and totally unnecessary.
DV would never have allowed that kind of posting. Says a lot. There has to be a line somewhere. Apparently over at DR there is NONE. It’s either main or extra and anything goes!!!!
I can see editors decided to put Cobra’s recent blog (“Thank you, my Blogger friends”) into extras.
Thank you note from DBC is still in the front page…..
WTF’s going on? Bias? Double Standards? Scandal Sheets?
Cross-paths? A can of worms?
It’s all boo-hoo.
Hi, Deaf Pundit! Welcome back to the deaf blogosphere! Now you see s*** happens when one goes on vacation or a trip. Hope you enjoyed your stay in Europe. Not that I think you missed anything…DBC still hasn’t said anything other than to thank the organizers for their hard work. More stonewalling.
“Bad Apples” poll, LOL! and two of them apples aren’t even on DR anymore. Now Tayler is saying a red-flag feature is gonna go up on DR. We all know what that means. “Bad apples again!” Ha, ha!
On a serious note, has anyone sensed how MZ, Hocokan and Valhallian are reaping what Paotie and McConnell have sowed? The credit really should go to these two guys for doing the hard work and taking the flak.
My plan is working flawlessly….
*rubs hands*
heh heh…..
News flash…JJ Puorro has left as a DR editor.
And makes an apology to Rachel.
Where?
found it…gee, he mentioned me in a good way. Finally, am glad that JJ had enough common sense to do this.
http://blog.deafread.com/iwii/archives/30
I do not profess to be versed in all the dynamics within DBC and the implied impact for future deaf children, but can I have some clarification please?
Is this a suggestion to have ASL as L1 in the hearing family home and ASL used to teach English, English being L2?
If the answer is right in front of me I apologise.
A while ago I could have sworn their “mission statement” said ASL and “written” English. I could be wrong, I am a speed reader.
*shrug*
Now their mission statement is solely in the regard to ASL only.
Being bilingual implies two languages does it not?
Abbe – That is what bilingual would mean to me.
I am all for learning languages, but you have to have clear fluent access to the languge in order to learn the language.
Is DBC suggesting/demanding/invisioning that the hearing families be the ASL role model for the deaf child?
ASL and strictly written English??
I am a “glosser” reader (if there is such a word). So …again it may be right under my nose.
Hocokan has written another post which most of us have known for a while. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.
I mean, how many people have blogged about it?
And that is another reason to look at the message and not the person behind the message.
Crikey! DBC’ s TBA announcement causing DR to go stale tonite? Are people holding their breaths?
Yeah. Rolling my eyes…..I am pretty vexed to read DBC’s website…..well, Before concerned citizens wrote some employment letters to the Department of the Education, I find hard to believe that several DBC core members have not apologized to the entire deaf/HOH/hearing loss/CIs/Non-ASL users/Oralists communities.
I know Dr. Hocokan tried very hard to convince them, however, it did not work at all. All I know that he tried very hard to preserve and protect the entire deaf community. It’s the walk of life.
It’s sad to know that they have not learned to respect others, especially, the mutual respect.
*Scratching my head*
*yawn* about DBC…
Wanna play golf? Life is too short… DBC won’t last forever… the earth is bound to burn away as the sun itself expands as it ages…
Whoa…..relax, thanks to Deaflife…..
It’s the true color! Discrimination is right there……Dr. Hocokan is right.
here it is:
http://theorgiscoming.blogspot.com/2008/07/dbcs-two-faces.html
What about the diversity? What about the organization 503 (c) something like that?
What about the tax citizens?
I hope that NAD will torn the magazine down…..otherwise, I definitely will not buy it.
It’s all boo-hoo.
*weary sigh* ugh.
Let them have their own spotlight… all things start radically and then become “institutionalized” (or normal.)
So DBC wants to rally deaf people up to go against AGBell, while claiming to pursue the avenue of all options and in the same breath saying ASL is the only way, etc.
whatever.
Click on my name to see about my “plan” that is working “flawlessly…” in full gory details.
muwahahahaha….
Hey Candy, your blog has been acting funny for the last week and then it disappeared. What’s up?
Hey Karen!
Yeah, My blog host’s server was experiencing a lot of glitch and hacks and they decided to move to a different server. But, they seem to be having a problem with the move. I got my blog up and did a new post which lasts only for a few hours before it was gone. lol
So, I’m not sure how long they will be down. I’ll let u know here when it comes back up permanently. I might move to a different host. I dunno. But, I’ll keep you guys posted.
Thanks for your concern!
Who is your provider Karen? This should be unacceptable.
It’s a free blog host. Not much I can do about it. But if I had paid for a host site, then yeah, that would be different.
Anyway, I think you were referring to that, weren’t you, Billy?
In any case, if you weren’t, disregard this.
I can see that – maybe you should look into the google blogger (if you want a freebie – go to http://www.blogger.com – you can be almost assured that google will keep their esrvers up and running.
But yes, that is what I was referring to.
I have to have Wordpress. I don’t like blogger. But, thanks for the suggestion. I know Blogono will be up, they just have some coding issues with moving to a new server and I’m gonna wait on them. I like them cuz they are cool about having bloggers suggesting plug ins and stuffs and there is a lot of cool stuff there that other wordpress blog host sites don’t have.