Comments on: Yo! DeafRead!

By: Perplexed Deaf Reader

Perplexed Deaf Reader — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:17:19 +0000

Thank you for your excellent blog on DR. I am shocked when I see that DR is inconsistent even with a child (mentioned in your article). Even a child can see things through. Jehanne (at http://jehanne.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/deafread-youth-needs-help/) tried to point out issues. DR came up with excuses. DR was able to move Tyler Berdy’s recent vlog (Gasoline and Electric car which is not deaf related) to DR Youth and was not able to move Jehanne’s Thanksgiving vlog and her recent deaf-related KFC vlog to DR Youth. Ouch! I left a comment on Jehanne’s vlog and told her to talk to DR again! DR needs to figure out how to do work effectively and be fair to everyone. I hope someone will do a new aggregator with better guidelines.

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By: Karen Mayes

Karen Mayes — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:44:20 +0000

JJ, I do appreciate your taking time to explain tidbits about DeafRead to us. I am seeing some improvements in DeafRead in becoming a more well-rounded blogsite, but I do still think that the v/bloggers need to be aware of the guidelines… they should be given some kind of agreement about accountability so that they could be more cautious and they’d know that the human editors are paying more attention. Look at what happened with John E. last year, at how human editors just let it go because it was deaf-centric even though the blogs were obviously of offensive mode.

By: White Ghost

White Ghost — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:03:58 +0000

That is something I do *NOT* understand about the disclaimer.

The reason why the Cyber Protection laws need to apply to the deafread’s by-laws. So that way, the guidelines can be recognized better and better.

The DR editors need to revamp the guidelines as C and I have said along.

By: mcconnell

mcconnell — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:06:05 +0000

Yes, Kim, I understand. If they have “zero responsibility” for any content then why worry about putting out guideline with a set of rules, including “pornography” and any “crap” they may find not worth putting in the list? Why, it’d be truly neutral if you just let things go. But didn’t I detect a tinge of “moral responsibility” over there somewhere when they decide to pick and choose, and claim “neutrality” and “zero responsibility” at the same time?

By: kim

kim — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:42:36 +0000

Because when they DO NOT post blogs then they can point to their guidelines and say, “It didn’t fit the guidelines.” If they post a blog that doesn’t fit the guidelines, then they can say, “We have a disclaimer.” What JJ is saying is they “try” to follow their guidelines. They can’t make everyone happy. They never will. I think he said they are going to look at their guidelines again.

This happens on every list or site I’ve ever belonged to. It’s just life. Except for way back when I had Compuserve. Oh Lord, we had a moderator on a Scout Leaders list. You wouldn’t believe some of the nitpicky fights. And then every once in awhile someone would post the Scouting Oath to calm everyone down, created by Baden Powell himself. What a great man– beloved the world over! hahaha! Talk about a strange bunch. But I did learn how to make a quinzee from them, and got some great Dutch oven recipes. I was a Girl Scout Leader for eight years. The skills served me well when our power went out for seven days last winter.

By: mcconnell

mcconnell — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:29:35 +0000

You can “draw” a line on defamation and libel just as DR has tried to “draw” a line on pornography (“I know it when I see it”). DR just “know it” when they see it and call it either “crap” or “not clean.” Don’t they? Or maybe not?

This is not about suing. It’s about moral accountability and recognizing it. Something that DR tried to do with Paotie’s recent “Label” blog piece along with two almost naked melons. What will DR object to next? A full frontal picture of Venus de Milo to go along next in Paotie’s piece? Or something with a little more color for those who are appreciative of art? Isn’t DR accountable for their moral responsibility to ensure that “crap” or “pornography” are not published? Oh wait, you said “..we have ZERO RESPONSIBILITY for any conent whether on the front page or in ‘Extra’”

So that explains it. Might as well toss out DR’s guideline regarding any “crap” or “pornographic” blog links since you (and DR) just exempted yourself from any responsibility. Zero responsibility. Means no more worrying over moral responsibility.

Gotcha.

By: Paotie

Paotie — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:06:41 +0000

*laughs*

Uh-huh.

Paotie

By: White Ghost

White Ghost — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:05:14 +0000

JJ –

I do not understand why the sponsor, sprint’s logo is in the deafvideo.TV. , not the youtube.

Number 7 — How about silentread, soundread and so forth? Let CI users, cued speech and others to participate the deafread, for example.

By: J.J. Puorro

J.J. Puorro — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:55:50 +0000

Mayes,

RE:DeafvideoTV bullying

Deafvideo.tv is not controlled by us technically. It is 100% controlled by http://www.youtube.com and thus subject to their guidelines. Deafvideo.tv simply subscribes to any vlogger who submitted his/her youtube screen name to have us pick up his/her entries. Also, deafvideo.tv offers the ability to make video comments. In short, it runs all by itself. It’s hardly moderated and if we see something extreme, we tell youtube.com and youtube.com deletes it.

Paotie’s picture was mild in my opinion, but he was pushing the envelope there. That’s why it was deleted. Damn shame because that entry was pretty good.

Also, I agree that we need to be consistent across the board at DR. We are for the most part…but we could be a tad bit more.

McConnell,

We don’t draw the line on defamation we simply do not endorse it. We just dump those entries into ‘Extra’. We simply do not ENDORSE any blog entry by the mere act of publishing. If you want to sue somebody for demfamation, go ahead. That’s your right.We at DR already put a disclaimer in the guidelines pointing out that we have ZERO RESPONSIBILITY for any conent whether on the front page or in ‘Extra’.

Kim,

1.) I agree, too many rules would be counter productive.

2.) The problem with having a board of editors is that we’d all have to vote on entries and everybody would have to wait a few hours for each entry to be approved. Too long.

3.) I am in agreement with that. Whenever we see one, we click on the ‘Extra’ button. In short, the entries worth reading are on the front page. The purpose of ‘Extra’ is to show what we are filtering out.

4.) I agree that Paotie’s recent picture of a woman covering her nipples wasn’t exactly porn, but it also wasn’t exactly clean. I believe it was more of a response to Paotie continuting to push the envelope. Like I said before…damn shame because it was a good entry…

5.) I agree and those entries go into ‘Extra’. I am starting to think we should call that page ‘Dump’ instead…maybe it’d be more clear…

6.) Hence, why we can’t call it ‘Dump’…I enjoy ‘Extra’ as well… Bottom line, we really do not want to delete anything and keep DR ‘Deaf Centric’ at the same time.

7.) That’s a bad idea!! If we had a “Deaf” page..we’d have to have a CI page…late deafened page…and so on…it would never end. Deaf people come from all walks in life..we are the most diverse culture in the world..that is if you even believe we are a ‘culture’ LOL. Yep, mothers of CI babies take waaayyy too much flack..I am a strong proponent of parental rights. It’s their friggin’ kids…they created them..they own them…deaf culture has no say in how deaf children are to be raised, IMO.

8.) Yep, for now anyone can shoot us an E-mail. Look down on the right side of DR and you will see a ‘contact us’ button. Also, after the conference in February I am going to talk to Tayler about possibly refining the guidelines a bit to make it as much black/white as possible…if that can even be done. Also, I plan to discuss creating a FAQ page complete with examples and etc…so we at DR can just link to that page instead of answer questions on all blogs..

GOING FORWARD…everyone E-mail me here:

http://www.deafread.com/email/

I am going to unsubscribe here…I am already subscribed to too many blogs today

-JJ