Yo! DeafRead!
Denver – DeafRead ain’t neutral. Never was and has never been, and by all signs, never will be, either. I mean, that is, unless DeafRead changes its guidelines, which are as clear as the fog in San Fransisco on a foggy day. I’m not bashing anyone and I’m not personally attacking anyone – just pointing out the obvious.
So, let’s see .. where to start?
Hmm ..
First! Let’s set something straight. DeafRead “editors” ain’t editors. They are discriminators. They don’t edit. They don’t do anything but determine whether or not they like an article and whether they agree with it. I mean, they say otherwise quite often as if to demonstrate their neutrality by saying, “Look, I don’t like Paotie. I don’t like his articles and I don’t agree with him, but I have to be neutral and publish his articles or else people will begin foaming at the mouth and then everyone will hate us and then we’ll lose our Sprint sponsorship and then World War 14 will break out! So, trust us – we’re neutral.”
Right. Right.
And that’s the thing – liking or agreeing. Why do the discriminators continually harp on that fact? Because they’ve got nothing else to show for their consistency in following their own guidelines.
Rule #1 of Deaf Fight Club (DeafRead) reads:
The entry must pertain to the deaf community and culture. The blogger being deaf or the vlog being in ASL is not enough to qualify. For example, let’s say a blogger decides to do a film review of “Forrest Gump”, it will not be posted because it is not deaf-related.
Oh, by the way, and before I forget – there’s a wonderfully hilarious vlog titled, “Harry Potter Jelly Beans: Weird Flavors,” that DeafRead picked up yesterday or the day before. It ain’t Forrest Gump and it ain’t “deaf-related,” either. So, why was the article picked up? Probably because the discriminators laughed about it and liked it, and thus, published it in defiance of Rule #1 of Deaf Fight club.
Ahh, there’s nothing more neutral than a group of people who make rules and don’t follow them.
Rule #8 of Deaf Fight club:
DeafRead is enjoyed by all kinds of people worldwide ranging from children to senior citizens. It is also safe to assume that people from all races enjoy DeafRead. We will not post anything that is an attack on a specific race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orienation, age or religion. This offense is serious and the offending blog will be promptly considered for removal from DeafRead’s subscription.
Well, I suppose calling people “lying perverts” is a harmless exercise for children to learn. And, I guess it is apparently okay to attack deaf people because the deaf are entirely omitted from Rule #8. And since one discriminator compared different groups of deaf people as warring factions and suggested people “know your enemy,” it stands to reason that DeafRead encourages deaf-on-deaf personal attacks.
Right. Right. Neutrality.
More than anything, the fact that it took three discriminators to make the same statement at my blog suggests that the discriminators are afraid people will discover that the discriminators are, indeed, quite biased with regard to their managing of DeafRead. Their actions suggest as much, and given the amount of ambiguity with regard to the guidelines, they’ve given themselves a convenient way to bypass complaints and concerns.
They’re too tired. And they’re overworked because they have to “edit” so many articles each day. They lack the resources to properly manage their own web site – one discriminator has told a child that. So that’s the problem here: DeafRead is a poorly run and poorly-defined aggregrator of deaf-related articles that the discriminators subjectively determine whether such articles are to be picked up or placed into an “inactive” file for future answers to future complaints about future DeafRead bias.
*shrugs*
Well, I like DeafRead. I only point these things out to make DeafRead better. Amazing how a little constructive criticism can be so beneficial to so many people!
YAY!
Anyway, DeafRead seems intent on promoting Deaf Fight Club, and that’s okay with me. I always love a good, clean fight, so I’m down with that. But if the discriminators want to whine and complain about concerns of neutrality, then it suggests that they simply don’t want to be viewed as being wrong.
It is okay to be wrong, you know? I have been wrong about things before. We all make mistakes, and when I make one, I admit to it and apologize to whomever if it’s needed. Ain’t seen any of the discriminators say, “You’re right. We need to fix this. What do you recommend or suggest?”
Neutrality? DeafRead?
Nah. Never was neutral. But here’s to hoping DeafRead can present itself in a more professional and dignified manner than it has been lately. They mostly need to drop the song-and-dance about “liking and agreeing” with articles.
Above all, they should just stop commenting because the more they do, the more biased they appear. And oh .. if you’re gonna make rules and expect people to follow them, then you may as well follow your own damn rules, right? Cos, I mean .. what would be the point of having rules in the first place, besides making yourself feel important?
DeafRead is turning into Deaf Fight Club. If you want DeafRead to be a site that encourages deaf-related issues in a respectful and po-lite manner, then you might want to suggest the discriminators get over themselves and start modifying their guidelines so that at least, the appearance of bias can be further reduced.
Ohh .. one last thing: a Deaf Sherlock blog was picked up by DeafRead that contained these words:
… where’s Ricky Taylor when we had fun to kick him around?
Interestingly enough, the article has since been changed and all references to me and another blogger have also been omitted. Perhaps a DeafRead discriminator suggested to Sherlock to change his post so that it would not be used against DeafRead and/or the blogger himself. (Hint: look at the URL address at Sherlock’s article.)
I don’t know. DeafRead ain’t all that it’s cracked up to be – that much is for sure.
I didn’t make this up, you know? DeafRead did this all by themselves.
Be good .. or be good at it.
Paotie
Sphere: Related Content
Thank you for your feedback. Deaf Sherlock sent an email requesting that his title on DeafRead be changed. Here’s the email.
“Dear Tayler:
I am asking for a modification to the blog link to my site in deaf read. The one where I had the original title: ” Missing a high school reunion / New “Ridor” on the block”. Please change it to: “Missing a high school reunion”.
Please change my link a bit in Deaf read to reflect the changes in my blog.
Thank you,
Steve Baier aka The Deaf Sherlock.”
Wow! That was quick!
Let’s see how long it takes DeafRead to pick up my article (for efficiency’s sake, of course).
Paotie
Did Sherlock give permission to Taylor to use his email comment openly in Paotie’s? Just wondering….
Good article, saying that the human editors are just… human beings with flaws. But I can say for sure that DeafRead’s human editors are glaring at you now ;o)
However, I see there are no rules about commenters, so I know it is the v/bloggers’ responsibility to moderate the comments.
Sometimes it is good to read about the “controversial” topics because it helps us to be more open-minded and more tolerant. It all depends on what defines “controversial.”
Good article as usual… what, no rhyming, Dr. Deaf Seuss? ;o)
Betty bought butter but the butter was bitter, so Betty bought better butter to make the bitter butter better.
Paotie
Tongue Twisters RULE!
Paotie
HAHAHAHAHAHA! I like that!
Wow!
That’s all you have??? *Laughs*
Responses to your points:
-The “Seek Geo” entry is not an entry I would have put on the front page myself. I would have put it in “Extra”…but it is one of those boderline entries that are put on front/extra depending on the Human Editor. The issue is that we allow, “Art/ASL Stroytelling” entries…and that entry..while about Jelly Beans had some humor in it and could be viewed as a story telling (not to me though).
-Calling people lying perverts? Where specifically did this happen and what was said specifically? As for attacks on deaf people…please..ANYTHING on Deafread.com could be constructed as an attack on deaf people relative to who the reader is. That rule specifically deals with blog entries that for example use the “N” word. That kind of stuff is simply unacceptable. We are talking about stuff you do not see on Network TV. I see you are still HUNG UP on Tayler’s “Know thy enemy” post instead of the post’s INTENT. I am not going to explain that to you again.
-Last, but not least…the issue with the “child” was handled by Tayler internally. I know for a fact that her personally VP’d the child and her parents.
I must say I was VERY VERY disappointed at how weak your post was today…I was expecting A LOT more from you Paotie…I was soooo looking forward to this….talk about anti-climatic…
Be bad or be bad at it…indeed.
-J.J.
“We will not post anything that is an attack on a specific race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age or religion.”
Ethnicity…..
What about Ridor’s……bashing, bashing, bashing on CI users……DR lets him to enter DR…….my G*D! Even with the B-A-D swears…..my G*D!
ooooooo. Divide.
*Shaking head from right to left*
*Tongue twisters*
What can I say?
Good work, Dr. Seuss Paotie. DR needs to brush up and get some serious thoughts.
White Ghost
JJ ..
Keep up with the bad jokes cos they’re beginning to sound really funny!
BAHHHHH HAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAH!
*smiles sweetly*
Paotie
I pretty much ignore you until now. Anyone who whines has no concept of neutrality. De-RSS yourself from DeafRead. It’s that simple. Go on. You have English skills. The hearing world is waiting to embrace u. Ahh, no. You must be the lonely hearing impaired kid in class. After classes, hit the keyboards and blame Deaf culture for your inferiority complex. Feeling big, feeling smart, it’s all you, man! Point fingers, say HA HA. To say on the behalf of the human editors, you are full of shit. The same for McCon and his cohorts. I consider ya’all as leeches aka hearing world rejects or wannabes for that matter, LOL. The only way you feel you amount to something is to keep ties with Deaf culture, tsk. ” L” on forehead forever.
My, my, my ..
Someone is projecting.
Sorry that you walk with the “L” on your forehead 24/7, drmzz.
*winks seductively*
Paotie
Paotie,
Well.. thanks for the compliment! Actually, it was made over to extra page to begin with and then due to most votes it received so which then moved over to front page.
If you can see “Moved from DeafRead Extra” when some posts receive a lot of votes. I think they usually move if more than 5-10 votes.
So, the HP Weird Flavors was in the extra for like a day and had about 10 votes before they moved it over to front page.
Now, let me go back and follow New Hampshire Caucus.. it’s exciting for me! Mwuahaha
-SG
Seek Geo ..
Cool beans. Thanks for letting us know what Tayler and JJ didn’t tell us.
Your vlog was great! I’ll be checking your vlogs out more, too.
Keep on truckin’ ..
Paotie
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck would chuck wood?
Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!
….just another brick in the wall….
oh geez, drmzz, coming from someone who’s majoring in clinical psychology, that was quacky~
Hey everyone —– ABC!
Deafread is still in infancy… toddler sort of. You, Tom aka Paotie make them work harder to live up with DeafRead guidelines. I admired them for trying their best.
Fox News and CNN have their own bias. Washington Post and New York Times also have their own bias.
for example,
Rightist watched Fox News while leftist lovers watch CNN. That’s nothing wrong with that.
So is DeafRead.com has their and who else? you? hummm Create your own one for the sake of goodness or be good at it. Indeed.
drmzz, you’ve just proved Paotie’s point, that DR allows deaf-on-deaf personal attacks. The interesting thing is, Paotie as the blogger didn’t delete your comment as so many do on their own blogsites. Note also that he didn’t call you a name or label you or throw insults at you.
I see a wannabe “Ridor”…
Ahem, “lying pervert”…it did happen.
- http://www.xanga.com/jeffcarlson/615454489/mcconnell.html
Prominently displayed on DeafRead “Extra” under “McConnell”:
- http://www.deafread.com/extra/page/81/
Just pointing it out for JJ’s own fyi. Tis all. I s’pose libel and defamation aren’t an issue for some people.
Moving on…
Daaamn, I miss the real “Ridor”. From time to time, I still check out RidorLIVE site in hope Ridor miraculously returns like the movie “Superman Returns”. So far, the blue screen is still there. To me, Paotie and Ridor are pretty different. Different tone, I guess. I don’t mind seeing Paotie as long as we can be entertained.
Your response is something I’d expect from someone who owns a hot pink snowboard. Eat yellow snow, will ya.
Mike– Without the Deaf Republicans sign, that would have been a very nice picture of you in Jeff’s site. Too bad about the “lying pervert” comment. Do you bookmark all slanderous remarks people make of you in DeafRead or what?
Brance– You make a great point. No publication is without human bias. For the most part I enjoy DeafRead and the lively debates. I also LOVE SeekGeo’s blog. I think DeafRead offers a good variety of blogging/vlogging, which is why I keep coming back. This is a surprise to me because as a late-deaf person I never thought there would be much for me here. But more and more, I feel this is my community.
I was the one to point out DeafRead’s oversight with regard to some of the CI blogs. They looked into it immediately. Normally, I’m not one to jump to conclusions. I accept their explanation that it was some kind of computer glitch. If it happens again, then I’ll be suspicious.
We need to move on.
Cathy–
I have seen “shrinks.” Let me tell you something about hearing “shrinks.” They don’t get it! They aren’t trained in dealing with people who become disabled late in life. They aren’t trained in dealing with disability. They try to hypnotize you with your eyes closed even though you read lips. They’re idiots. They do not know about the ADA or any of the support groups that might help a late-deafened person adjust. They know N-O-T-H-I-N-G.
I’m not upset with you, it’s just that your suggestion upset me. I know you meant well. I’m getting away from computer for awhile. . .
I feel sad and need a walk.
Paotie.
I understand that you are a late-deafened person and that makes me understand more about you.
When did you become deaf?
Do you feel that when you became a inferiority complex person after being deaf?
Is this why you decided to jive around deaf issues when you failed to understand yourself as deaf person?
I see that Mike McConnell feels the same way as you do when he wrote in Mishka Zena’s blog saying this, “I accepted my deafness/hearing loss a long, long time ago. It doesn’t mean I have to like it.”
Have you tried to see a shrink about your inferior complex problems? I think you should as well as Mike McConnell and explain about your problems.
Cathy
Cathy,
Knock it off. The deaf community is a DIVERSE body. Where are you from, the moon?
Aye, aye, aye!!!
What would be far telling? Just take a look at the blogsites added to DeafRead since its inception, and take a closer look at the order they were added. I think it’s a huge joke how the Deafread editors started out with RidorLive but neglected to aggressively search for blogs having to do with stuff completely outside their familiar ASL-realm — that is, until people began to complain. And they claim they’re always neutral? Please. Anytime somebody says that, I instantly know he’s lying.
Brance made a very good point; even mainstream media have their respective biases. Why not DeafRead? By screening for Deaf-related entries, they are already admitting bias towards favoring Deaf-related entries. What is so wrong about that?
The Internet’s a big place, and allowing this sort of bias truly makes it smaller for us who care about Deaf issues to actively participate upon. Sounds like a win-win situation!
Sheesh, Paotie with an inferiority complex? LOL. How about you going to a shrink on why you have the need to get inside people’s heads, Cathy?
Kim, you’ve got supportive and listening friends here who can do more than what any shrink can ever do.
Hey Kim!
Aw.. don’t be sad! I’m there if you need someone, I’m with Ann_C, you have supportive friends who will be there for you!! Here’s my hugs to you!
Cathy,
I’m not here to judge Paotie or anyone else for that matter so I don’t know what their real stories. I believe almost everyone have to struggle with for who they are and it doesn’t always have to be about being Deaf. Sure, I was born deaf but I did struggle to accept for who I am for many years, I believe I mentioned this in one of my videos.
Why did I struggle? Because hearing people mocked me and I’m sure plenty of Deaf kids had to deal with and also the worse part was that I was put down by some other Deaf people (crab theory, eh) and in fact still to these days.
So, you see why I had to struggle for who I am until I finally accept for who I am not very long ago because of wonderful friends of mine as well as my loyal readers so seeing a shrink is not the answer.
If anyone have to deal with hard time for who they are, we have to give them all support we can because that was what missing in nearly all my life. That’s what the community should do to support each of their own.
Sure, we have many people on here who we agree and also who we disagree but so what? As long as they don’t attack/harm anyone which is not my cup of tea. I mean I have friends who I don’t agree with all the time but doesn’t mean they can’t be my friends. Everyone is different that what makes the whole world is much more interesting as long as we respect to each other.
Oh… I think they are starting to count votes in New Hampshire, I’m anxious to find out!!!!
-SG
Mike Mc C, at 12:22 PM
yeah, that is that…..
Yeah, It’s the lying perverts.
Deafread have to fix things up in order to respect the Sprint’s contract.
Bloopers, flaws and so forth….
It’s time to brush up and get the saddle up, DR!
White Ghost
Cathy,
Seek Geo and I are the same boat. Struggling is not easy for us to deal with, however, we came from the wealthy life.
Poatie does not need to see his shrink. As long as he is happy for who he is, then we are all happy.
White Ghost
Mcconnell– PLEASE! No more talk of dingleberries or crannies! I’ve had enuff!
Know what?
I am addicted to your blog, Paotie, true biz…
I cannot say any better. I agree with you all the way about everything and DR.
No, Kim. I remember them in the nook of my cranie. A quick Google is all you need. No book marking is necessary.
According to Cathy’s advice, I should have been sent to a shrink a long time ago but like Kim said, what good would it have done. You walk in and lay down on a sweaty pleather couch and the minute you mention that your deaf, the shrink just jots some notes down in his notebook, “Deaf=Depressed=Drugs” and tries not to let the door slam you on the tush on the way out since you can’t hear it close. Not quite that simple. those whom share your experiences is the ones that provide the most comfort, remember that Kim.
From the time, I was three I spent years in GI Jane mode anytime anyone called me deaf. It took losing my hearing completely to say to myself, the gig is up and I’m deaf as a doorknob. Since that was probably one of the best things that has happened to me because it made me want to reach out to others who have been recipient in one way or another, some good and some bad. I prefer honest people whether they are deaf or not and this is stuff right here, is about as straight from the shoulder as you gonna get. I would hate to believe that my blog was censored by DeafRead for the mere fact that I have a chip in the ol’ head here and the fact I have been deaf my whole life doesn’t matter, but you never know!
SeekGeo, I am another fan of your vlogs! I love watching them! Your post up there is right on the money, be honest and respect one another.
Mike– Don’t get yourself all worked up into a tizzy now. You’re such a. . . Republican. hahaha! I knew exactly what ya meant. I was just teasin ya.
I know where Republican’s “crannie’s” are.
??? Kim. When I say “in the nook of my cranie” means my brain. Ya know, cranium? And “nook” means “corner.” So, I remember these things in the back of my head and do a Google search to find what I’m looking for.
As for the other word, I only said it once. You said it twice so far. What are you taking, Kim? Might want to cut down on that.
Paotie,
Beware! You don’t want to bite hand that feeds you:
“I forgot to mention that your blog, GallyBusters, is one of the blogs aggregated at DeafRead. If not for DeafRead, your blog probably would cease to exist. I’m just saying don’t bite the hand that feeds you. I’ve gotten bitten a few times, but I’m continuing to aggregate those blogs because I firmly believe in freedom of speech, a belief I hope is shared by the Gallaudet University administration.”
-Tayler Mayer, DeafRead.com
Interesting thinking makes me laugh.
Click here.
Direct link to comments:
Click here.
Mike– I had to google that!
NOW it’s time to beat you over the head with a rolled up newspaper!!
***swat, swat!!***
Oh man, Mike, you do like light fire under some people, flustering some of us, huh?
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heh heh heh; i appreciate deafread even more for putting up with people like you. they did put your post on front after all and if you think about it, they publish ALL blog entries; the deaf ones get more hits and the “i’m talking non-deaf related” posts go in the Extra. we all do have the power to vote.
i think its interesting that you can so vehemently go after something like this. In a sense, you’re only helping deafread’s neutrality and makes me pity you in a way because all you do is satire and your efforts are meant not to be taken seriously.
looking forward to your next posts that has nothing to do with the inwards groupthink topics (deficit thinking, deafread neutrality, embryo bill, etc etc). I missed the time when you wrote about topics outside of the community such as bashin hearies for thinking of you as a retard. we need more of that out there.
Mike,
*rolling up a newspaper into a flyswatter* Swat! swat! on your head. You’re as bad as my hubby. heh! Yeah, anything to get a rise out of somebody, ya nitwit.
Vote?
Look – any idiot can buy IP scrubbing software that hides an address, and can manipulate the voting on DeafRead, so the “voting” system is hardly worth mentioning.
Anyway, nice words of encouragement by Tayler. Apparently, if you don’t align yourself with Tayler, you will be threatened.
DeafRead neutrality?
Nah – it never existed.
Paotie
What?? All I did was answered Kim’s question: “Do you bookmark all slanderous remarks people make of you in DeafRead or what?”
Why did she bring it up the second time telling me to stop after I already did? And left a question mark over my head. I thought she misunderstood on what I was saying about “nook” and “cranie.” I wasn’t trying to be disgusting. Reread and follow the timeline.
Bystander, why should we bloggers fear? They are not the only blog aggregator around. And there is this thing called “free enterprise” when it comes to competitions. I think the fear should be the other way around or else someone will end up looking a bit tad too “monolithic” and “stalinistic” in their ways on trying to control everything. Else, they’ll be forced to backpeddle every time they’re challenged or have their kinks exposed.
Wee, wee, wee,
Ree, ree, ree…..
See, see, see…..
Oh, what a Flip-flop “DR” day is! Aren’t they, huh?
*LAUGHS*
White Ghost!
For some reason, I got a mental picture of the DR editors quaffing Alka-Seltzer after reading your comment.
Hehehehehehehehe ..
Cool beans!
Paotie
Paotie….
*tsk-tsk-tsk*
God, save us from the hypocrites and the lying perverts out there.
lol.
Rob
Kim, well, at least I didn’t mention “cranny hunter.”
hey … in defense of perverts everywhere, there’s nothing wrong with being a pervert, as long as you don’t hurt anyone else doing it. Yay for perverts! Some of my best friends are perverts.
Now “lying” perverts — get them outta here. No liars welcome here. Only honest perverts, please. That includes Jeff Carlson.
*wink*
nonny, I don’t hang around intellectually vacuous people who like defame and lie. Disengenuousness is hardly a positive trait around here.
In this life time, no one will ever see McConnell say the following:
“I have been wrong about things before”
Paotie, I like you a bit more today.
Jimson
Jim,
You’re wrong about that, too.
Click here.
Yet, I’m right and you’re wrong.
Go figure.
ROFLOL, Kim! Ok, hold off the newspaper swatters.
That takes a real man to say he’s been wrong, Mike. Yeah, yah, I know, you said,”Yet I’m right and you’re wrong, go figure”.
We got it.
Hey Abbie,
Aw thanks! I’m checking out your site as we speak… cool site! I just bookmarked.
Jimson,
Just today?! You only like Paotie today? I wanna know what you think tomorrow. LOL
-SG
Well, it’s like booger jellybean today but tomorrow? Buttered popcorn jellybean? Life is like a box of Harry Potter’s jellybeans. You’ll never know what you’ll get but you’ll probably end up puking anyway.
I think Geo’s vid on that part was probably the best one around. Maybe Geo ought to do a compilations of vids from others daring them to taste buttered popcorn jellybean and they can record their own responses for his compilations? And then move to the next challenge…booger jellybeans!! But they wouldn’t know it until they tasted it.
Glad there isn’t any vomit jellybeans. Or is there one?
McConnell,
Ohh.. vomit jelly bean one. I’d hate to say this because I know it will make you sick even more… yep I tried it! And it was on the video, ha ha! I will post the second part sometime this week.
You shall be ready!
-SG
By the way, at the end of this coming video, I did say “it’s your turn” but will anyone? I won’t count on it!
McConnell,
Thanks for the link.
That entry was put into extra because it wasn’t deaf centric.
The purpose of deafread extra is to SHOW people what we are filtering.
Besides, didn’t Jeff also say that he liked you?
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Paotie,
I love how you don’t even address any of my points.
*innocently kicks a pebble towards you hiding in the bushes*
P.S.- Are you going to the DR conference? It’d be cool to meet you in person…it ain’t that far from Colorado Springs…about a 18 hour drive I guess? You could hit the slopes in Tahoe en route…
JJ,
Paotie doesn’t even have to respond. We all know that many, many readers have legitimate doubts about Deafread’s claims and intent. That much is obvious even outside Paotie’s site. You can defend DR all you want, but you cannot change the validity of these concerns; to think otherwise would be telling us that you don’t believe that the truth exists on both sides of the coin. It would also help tremendously if the DR editors stopped going everywhere and posting comments in hot defense, that can backfire (like my above link showing Taylor’s thinly veiled threat).
Please don’t take it personally.
JJ
bystander is right at this point. Ethnicity have caused stirring-up.
That’s what the flip-flop is all about…..
Go back to the ranch and get your saddle up.
White Ghost
JJ, poor excuse of an answer in the effort to try and defend your position. In earlier and later blogs he simply defamed me on that very same subject. Let’s not be this naive, shall we?
LOL I don’t know who isn’t neutral in DR.
Well, it’s certainly not bias free. Although I do understand where they are coming from. It’s not always easy. But I don’t like it when people are disengenuous in their responses. Rather insulting.
McConnell,
I told you that we didn’t approve Jeff Carlson’s post and put it in Extra. Should we have deleted it instead? We simply cannot go down that route. It’d be a slippery slope and make our job all about determining he said vs. he said. We draw the line at the really bad stuff. This is the Internet, people are going to disagree with you and even call you names. This does not mean that deafread.com endorses Jeff Carlson. We just pulled it and looked at it and said, “Ummm…not deaf centric” and clicked on the ‘extra’ button. That’s it.
As for my response being “disengenuos”, that’s hogwash. I told you straight up that we put it in Extra. Where’s the lying there?
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Bystander,
I am not trying to change opinions here. If people want to believe that deafread.com is biased…more power to them. I am merely disputing the validity of those concerns. Every time I ask for specific examples, I am provided an example and I give everybody a straight answer. There is no conspiracy. Of course, we the editors get hot under the collar because when you question our neurality, you are in essence questioning our character. I cannot speak for the other editors (other to say that they all are reasonable people), but I do consider myself an extremely fair and reasonable person. I pride myself on that.
I am saying, “supply some evidence”. In your post you supplied a “thinly veiled threat” by Tayler. He basically told you that he was STILL PUBLISHING the “Gally Buster” entries despite his disagreement with them. Deafread.com is all about offering both sides of the coin. We all have our own biases, but we are 100% fair. This is a level playing ground for everyone as long as your follow the guidlines.
What annoys me the most is people pointing out weak things as evidence of widespread bias. Come to us with something concrete. I have no problem admitting we made a mistake if we did…but c ‘mon…”He called me a lying pervert!”, “He made a thinly veiled threat!”, “Jelly beans isn’t deaf centric”, and “They ignored a child!”. That’s all you people have? I addressed every point here. Of the above..only Tayler’s so-called “thinly veiled threat” might be a bit too much…then again he wrote that in October of 2006…a very turbulent time..and the all time high traffic era in deafread.com history (believe me…we were only 4 human editors then and we were posting 5X the entries around the clock).
In the end, I realize that we cannot please everyone…and that everyone will think what they want to think. I am not convincing anyone of anything here anyway. I am just showing that *I* am willing to discuss things in the open and address every point that I can (I cannot see everything everywhere…I don’t even have the time to do so…but I subscribe to Paotie’s site…I like his entries because they “stir the pot”..so I’ll be dropping in here from time to time).
Last, but not least…ANYONE can E-mail us with their concerns..we will always always deal with each concern individually the best we can.
JJ ..
”He called me a lying pervert!”, “He made a thinly veiled threat!”, “Jelly beans isn’t deaf centric”, and “They ignored a child!”.
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Ohh, I see the problem here. See, the guidelines at DeafRead are ambiguous and poorly defined. As you’ve referred to in your comment to McConnell, you don’t want to publish “crap.”
Since there is no definition of what “crap” is on the guidelines, that means your argument on that is weak.
Since there is no definition of what an “attack” constitutes on the guidelines, your argument that DeafRead doesn’t promote or allow attacks is .. weak.
Since your group contradicts its own guidelines, how would you have a superior argument by stating that, “We publish ‘crap’ even when we don’t want to?”
And since in general, DeafRead hasn’t defined anything for anyone to understand, I am not sure that your definition of “weak” is even credible, too.
Paotie
JJ!
I am *NOT* convinced by your statement.
I want to talk about the ethnicity.
I want to emphasis about several v/bloggers that attack to others in the DR.
Okay, first of all,
1. Ridor used his bad words and things about people and DR lets his blog to enter the DR. For instance, at times, he attacked Mike McC. occasionally either DR or extra.
2. DR lets Aidan’s vlog to attack Sean, NJAD President and it was out of control and acceptable. It was in the DR, not the extra.
3. DR lets John Egbert to attempt attacking Paotie, “Who is Paotie?” in John E.’s blog in the DR, not the extra.
So, are you telling me that the reason why the DR *HAD* to pull John Carlson’s blog and move it to extra because DR does not accept attacking Mike Mc C.’s?
Is it a good ethnicity? Of course, not! There is no bias free.
So, DR needs to work on the *SAME* guidelines for both DR and extra to eliminate the “bad” name-naming.
White Ghost
typo on acceptable, should be UNacceptable. (number 2.)
White Ghost
Hear! Hear! *signing off to get back to work*
JJ,
I’ve only been reading DR for a few months and for those months I saw a very strong bias toward Deaf-centric blogs, with a few like Paotie’s here, Aaron R.’s, and McConnell’s, for examples, offering different views. I certainly didn’t think that DR was representative of the deaf spectrum, because I knew from other deaf blog aggregators that wasn’t the case for DR.
I didn’t realize ’til Kim brought up a complaint about no CI views on DR that there was indeed some process to bring editors’ attention to this oversight. Indeed something like a “suggestion box” on the DR site may give both bloggers and commenters some access to DR editors’ attention. Know this may add more work to the editors’ jobs, but I think that this would assure readers and bloggers that there is an openness in DR. It’s up to you and the other editors to make DR the best deaf blog aggregator out there in the Internet.
Comments:
1.) A lot of things to answer here LOL.
2.) Paotie, it’s simple…’crap’ is whatever is not ‘deaf-centric’. As for attacks, we mean the kind that use the “N” word or terrible stuff to that. You have seen stuff like, “lying pervert” on network TV, right? If it could appear on network TV…then we don’t delete it. We simply do not want to go through the trouble of deciding what is to be deleted. We only delete the balantly obvious stuff like using the “N” word or a post with actual nudity…etc…
3.) White Ghost, I have personally put several of Ridor’s blogs into extra..especially the ones where he slams “Whale Fatterson” or whoever that is. I can’t remember everything that Ridor did…but I have extra-ized at least 10 entries of his. As for Aidian Mack’s entry..she was attacking a specific organization. i never knew who the president of NJ’s NAD was until he defended himself. Egbert’s post about, “Who is Paotie” I don’t remember the details..but I think that shouldn’t have made the front page…unsure. I seem to recall Egbert saying Paotie was someone named Joshua Dawnson from Colorado Springs…but then again Paotie has that info in his “about me” section. Unsure what Egbert said…but if Paotie is slamming DBC…then Egbert questioning him is fair game in my eyes. We are neutral like Switzerland..i.e. we’d allow the Nazi’s to roll their tanks thru Zurich just like we’d allow Patton to roll his army thru Zurich.
3.) Ann_C, yes I admit that deafread.com seems to ONLY subscribe to the “D”eaf blogs…but that is ONLY because there aren’t enough CI, Late Deafened, HoH, etc…blogs that have their posts subscribed by DR. As for the Bionic Woman entry..I immediately took action and that error was fixed. I am not the techincal guy for DR..but it is my understanding that we stop subscribing to posts when a blog becomes dormat. I *think* it is to save on downloading time and to cut off the dead weight.
As for a suggestion box..we do have one…sort of…just E-mail any of the human editors by going to DR..and going to the right side…here’s the specific link: http://www.deafread.com/email/
Go there and check on “JJ Puorro” and you can PERSONALLY send an E-mail to me.
We get a lot of E-mail every day…however most of them are technical in nature and sent directly to Tayler. So, if you do not have a technical question…PLEASE E-MAIL me..I only live about 30 minutes from Tayler and I can resolve a lot of issues with him if needed.
Bottom line: EVERY ONE IS WELCOME TO DEAFREAD.COM..EVERYONE. I swear..*holds up the 3 finger scout symbol* scouts’ honor!
Additionally, in regards to Deaf Read Extra:
Orginally, we did not have an ‘Extra’ page.
When we did not approve of your entry, it was “lost in the abyss”.
People complained a lot…so we added “Extra” to show what we weren’t approving…
People still complained…so we added a voting system…5 votes (I believe) and your entry is back on the front page. Trust the voting system because it used to be abused until Tayler coded in some specific language to only allow one vote per IP address.
So, in essence..DR Extra shouldn’t even be there…but it still gets plently of views…
JJ,
Thanks, didn’t see the “contact us” line.
Do you keep tabs on how many times the same suggestion or complaint comes up? That’s a clue right there that a change needs to take place.
JJ ..
When will you stop commenting and start stating such things on the guidelines at DeafRead? Don’t explain to me what “crap” is because I have my own definition and it tends to include your jokes.
*laughs*
Don’t need to tell me what the clarifications are, JJ – you need to tell the READERS. Like .. go write a vlog/blog so that people can understand the what “crap” is and why some vlogs/blogs are allowed to sail through in contradiction of the guidelines.
And there’s one other thing that you editors at DeafRead need to be aware of: the Internet is a dangerous place and you are playing dangerous games with people’s lives by pretending to have no accountability whatsoever. The first person that is harmed somehow, either from a stalker or a suicide or something directly traceable to DeafRead, I am going to bitch-slap your ass because you have a great opportunity now to avoid that.
Just give it time. It WILL happen. It has happened in the larger American public and all over the world, so it WILL happen on DeafRead, and when it does, I will be the first to bitch-slap you personally.
In the meantime, I’ll be watching.
Paotie
Ann-C,
Actually, most of the E-mails are technical in nature. We get a lot of E-mails complaining about “the other side” as well. We cannot change “the other side”..you can’t have Ying without Yang…so not much we can change.
We always do change things that we can change. I am not making “D”eaf people go away…I am not making CI people go away…it is what it is..
Paotie,
Ok, you define “crap” differently than we do. yeah, my jokes are crappy…but raise your game and I’ll raise mine..hmmm? *laughs*
We did explain the guidelines once in a blog/vlog about a year ago (IIRC)…we haven’t had a problem with them until you posted this. I think I’ll dig up that vlog and resubmit it if I can find it…
As for playing a “Dangerous Game”…all we are doing here is centralizing content here. In fact, we have already had discussions with lawyers and the like in terms of our liability. What we do here is no different than other sites out there like fark.com and the like…we do not produce content..we collect them and present them in a “deaf centric” manner.
You can wait to B1tch slap us…but you are gonna be waiting a long time…:-)
Anyway, why don’t you outline ways we can ‘avoid’ it?? I mean be contructive instead of just standing around laughing, kicking pebbles, and shooting spit balls?
I simply do not see what we are doing WRONG here…and like yourself..if we are in the WRONG I will be the first to admit it and correct it…
I am here posting ain’t I?
-JJ
Well, JJ.
I *HONESTLY* do not think it will work.
I think the DR needs to set up the new by-laws for the DR, DR youth, and extra. It also needs to apply the reasonable accommodation and equal opportunity.
DR needs to set up the “cyberprotection” laws.
1. Anti-cyberbullying
2. Anti-mini-bullying
3. Anti-bullying (bad words, slanders)
4. Anti-defame(?)
5. Bad name/personal attacking
DR needs to recognize all of the above to apply the new guidelines for the DR, DR youth and extra.
So that way, DR editors can under control from all the bad attacks within the DR, DR youth and extra equally.
White Ghost
JJ,
Think Paotie has a point about the internet being a dangerous place.
Many of us have read about the Missouri girl who committed suicide because of an internet hoax perpetrated by a neighbor woman posing as an “internet boyfriend” to get info on her own daughter. There is now an ongoing federal investigation of Myspace in Beverly Hills. Myspace is where the hoax began.
Your lawyers should know what defines internet stalking and threats in legal terms and can advise DR what constitutes such. I know there aren’t very many state laws that define internet crime very well, but it would serve DR’s interests to be pro-active, instead of reactive. A DR vlog and blog that define internet stalking and threats should be posted and made a “sticky” note on home page. A statement that such behavior repeated a number of times will cause such people to be banned from DR. This may deter some, if not all, people who don’t have the best intentions.
White Ghost,
Thanks for your points.
As for reasonable accomodation..we do offer that? Anyone can have their blog subscribed to by DR…hearing people…and we even have a setting for our deaf blind readers (my idea BTW).
As for your “cyber protection” laws….
That would give us GREATER AUTHORITY in determining what is to be allowed/disallowed on the front page. We’d have to carefully read EVERY blog entry and view every vlog from beginning to end (man that’d really suck)…and say, “He said that…disapprove”..then we’d probably get an E-mail from the author complaining about why his entry was not approved and it would probably say something like, “So and so defamed me! I am defending myself here!!!” then we’d have to search archives…then we’d have to ban people… At DR, we don’t believe in banning blogs. Nor do we believe in policing bolg entires.
We do however delete those entries that contain the really bad stuff you do not see on network TV. Like a racist filled entry…i.e. “Deaf KKK” or something like that…or a photo/video from Deafbunny.com (we allowed discussion on deaf porn just like TV’s 20/20 might do a segment on porn). We only delete stuff that “just ain’t right”…we all know when we see it. In the guidelines we even mentioned that we wouldn’t post something like the Pearle beheading video. That’s where we draw the line.
Otherwise, we remain fully neutral and we do pass over “direct attacks” into extra. Sometimes we miss on those because the entry is generally deaf centric with a sentence sneaked in here or there…no human editor has the time to thoroughly read every entry. We also do not have the time to view every vlog from beginning to end…I usually watch the first few seconds to determine whether it’s deaf centric or not…if there’s a synopsis I rely on that as well.
Name me an open forum-type website that offers 100% cyber-protection from name calling…defamation..cyber bullying..you won’t find it on the Internet unless it’s compeltely biased and totally moderated. That is not what we want here…we want diverse people to speak up and offer different views..when you have that combo..inevitably you will have feathers ruffled here and there…
In short, we ain’t the police here…we only become the police when something is VERY wrong…
Now remember, this does not even apply to comments made after a blog entry is made…we have NO CONTROL over those..only the blogsite’s admin does..it is the respnsibility of every blogsite’s admin to moderate their own comments section…we only moderate the general blog/vlog entry to ensure it’s deaf centric..nothing more or less…
Paotie, Mike, JJ, Anyone else–I would like to say something here. While I agree with the fact that there’s been a LOT of mudslinging in DeafRead, I have noticed it especially being directed towards Mike. It seems he can’t say anything without someone taking it the wrong way. On the other hand, he does post a lot of provocative blogs. His very name just seems to raise the hackles on some peoples’ backs.
Personally I normally can’t stand conservative Republicans.
Since I’ve been reading DeafRead, however, I have come to like Mike more and more because of the position he’s constantly in defending himself. Yes– he does stick his foot in his mouth– as we all do from time to time. So what? If someone else makes a mistake you all make excuses for them, cover it up, give them hugs and understanding. If Mike makes a mistake you all seem to blog about it for weeks, even AFTER he has explained it. Poooooor Mike. It made me sad. So I joined his side.
When Paotie first came into DeafRead, he entered with his duke’s up stomping all over people right and left. I suppose this might have been in anticipation of the backlash he expected to receive since he was McConnell’s friend. I don’t know. You’d have to ask him. It sure was shocking to me, because he wasn’t at all this brash in Myspace.
Though I originally liked Paotie, after I came into DeafRead I couldn’t stand either him or Mike for awhile. They made me mad! And then I’ll tell you, I began to notice how constant the criticism was. How everyone always criticized everything they said without listening– especially Ridor who said ugly, ugly things. Mike and Paotie can’t say anything without people jumping all over them.
How would any of you feel? What point is there to watch how you say something if whatever you say is going to be misconstrued? Wouldn’t YOU feel like fighting and insulting everyone all the time? I sure would.
No one is ALL bad. Sometimes people have BAD ideas, but that doesnt’ make them bad people– OK??
Sometimes people behave badly, but again that doesn’t make them bad people. It just makes them people who behave badly sometimes, or a lot of the time. Last I heard McConnell and Paotie were law-abiding citizens, so I assume they must not be bad people. If y’all know something different maybe you can fill us in.
As far as DeafRead and JJ–I think it must be a very difficult job to edit, monitor or moderate all the blogs coming in. Do y’all really WANT to be moderated?? I don’t.
Let’s just recognize JJ has a difficult job. I’m not sure what he can say at this point about what has happened in the past. I’m sure he’s aware of the inconsistencies. To be honest, there is no way the “law” can define what constitutes a blog insult. It could get very, very ugly. I have been involved on other listserves, forums since the early 90s. Now it’s the blogosphere. This is just the same old crap. Give JJ a break for crying out loud!
You can’t stop people from name-calling!!! It happens. If you call someone a name, expect them to call you a name back.
There are ways of dealing with it when someone calls you a name. Take a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeep breath, and ignore it. OK?
If someone says something you don’t agree with, clarify– OK?
If they say something that hurts your feelings, tell they, OUCH– that hurt! Did you mean to hurt? OK? It’s really that simple.
Can we all just get along?
Have a nice night– I’m off to ASL class now.
Ann_C,
In fact…we have deleted a stalking type of entry only days ago. We even reported it to the authorities.
That’s a good suggestion..stalking should be added to the guidelines as a no-no.
This is also why we have deafread for kids…kids aren’t allowed to post entries until their parents approve them to ensure that their parents are aware of what the kid is doing online.
That’s what I am talking about here…stalking = major NO NO…calling someone a “lying pervert” = (shrugs) + put into extra.
JJ –
I’ll reply to you tomorrow morning. I am very exhausted. I have had a long day.
ok.
I rarely get my foot “stuck in my mouth.” In fact, very rarely. Asking questions or thinking out loud on certain topics rarely produce any athlete’s foot of my mouth. I’ve been quite consistent in what I say, do and believe.
Kim, don’t worry about me. I’m a proven, battle harden blogger who have lots to say.
Secondly, I do see problems in DR. Minor problems like there is no policy/guideline that addresses defamation and libel. But I’m sure DR will let us know whenever they decide or feel that defamation and libel “just ain’t right.” Exactly where does DR “draw the line” on defamation and libel? I’m quite curious about that since they haven’t even fully addressed that at all. But I get the feeling they’ll probably use the “Extra” as their defense and excuse.
Thirdly, DR “editors” can try and claim “neutrality” but whenever you have a group of people reading or watching entries and decide which ones go and which one stays then “neutrality” pretty much goes out the window due to our inherent nature of bias which do lead to discrimination (i.e. noting the differences, I mean, not like the bad discrimination kind). DR and their “editors” do discriminate. Even subconsciously favoring certain entries and not even realize it. You’re humans, not robots. Regardless, we all discriminate. Deaf people discriminate all the time when it comes to their culture and the people they choose to be with. So do hard of hearing and hearing people. But before ya’ll get hot under the collars, again, “discriminate” means to note the differences. So, DR does discriminate (no pun or implied meaning here, again) by picking and choosing according to their standards and guideline. But the fact that these “editors” are Deaf may actually increase the propensity to raise even more questions from people about their claim of “neutrality.” I don’t really believe they are acting “neutral” in a lot of ways and certainly the use of the “Extra” does get them off the hook using that to make their excuses. I’m just saying it like it is from my own perspective and experiences. It’s not eas to run and manage DR, sure. And nobody’s perfect either. But let’s not travel down the path of disingenuousness excuses at every turn. Nobody’s neutral here, that’s for sure.
Nice post, Kim.
I agree with, “Why can’t we all get along?”
I also do agree that I am not surprised to see McConnell and Paotie in the middle of mudslinging all the time…they do take a lot of heat..too much sometimes…but that’s what you get for being different and thought provoking.
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McConnell, we don’t hide behind ‘Extra’…if anything I think it would actually be easier to abolish ‘Extra’ entirely…then folks would follow guidelines all the time because the only way their blog would be seen is to follow the guidelines… Then again I seem to recall folks being upset about us not publishing entries at all…
Oh well, we cannot please everyone..but believe me we TRY….
Hmmm…
After reading these posts, especially from JJ, I believe that you folks gave the human editors a lot of food to think about. Even JJ’s recent post admit that Paotie and Mike were treated unfairly by the commenters and v/bloggers, but seeing that the guys handle the criticism very well, they leave the guys alone, since they guys have their own supporters.
Let’s look at this as a lesson for all of us to learn… especially in the moderating of a blogsphere by the human editors/screeners.
What bothers me is the more leeway in DeafVideos.com… the videos of BULLYING are allowed… and its link is under DeafRead.com.
I’d better shut my mouth now.
JJ –
Morning…
I think you and the editors need to confer the cyberprotection laws. Once it set up the new document and put it on the link the top right corner of the deafread’s front page.
Stalking as you mentioned days ago, it’s good to know that you reported it to the authorities.
I am surprised that editors decided not to include the stalking type of entry into the guidelines.
Karen Mayes has a point about having the leeway in the deafvideos.com.
Sponsorship from the sprint is all the editors from DR can think of.
White Ghost
Guidelines needs to be more specific and accountable. Specific enough that DR does not have to explain. Accountable so that certain blogs don’t get preferential treatment. I would suggest DR revamp the guidelines. Porn was allowed, yet paotie’s picture of nude women minus the nipples were not and that is not considered porn. Well, we all do have our definition but it’s really art if you look at it. And we have not seen that at the beach? Then there was character defamation post that was allowed and so on… Time to clean up.
C-
how about these roman statues in Italy and Greece?
Humm..
White Ghost
Ha, ha… cultural differences. The American culture has a lot of Judaism/Christian/Pilgrim/Puritan/etc. influences. Even we can’t discuss death openly, so death and sex are a few of “controversial” (or better labeled as taboo) topics here in America.
JJ, it’s either DR refuse to draw the line about defamation and libel (just as you drew the line on “pornography” but still included links that links to a porn site) or you don’t. Simple as that, JJ. And certainly DR is using “Extra” as way to excuse/absolve themselves even though “editors” have to decide what goes where or not. That cannot be denied.
That’s what makes Deafread’s neutrality suspect – the ambiguity and subjectivity of what is or isn’t pornography, or an attack, or an inappropriate word.
*laughs*
Pretty obvious.
Paotie
In a word ..
censorship.
Paotie
JJ–Once again, I’m sorry you’re in the hot seat here. I’m not sure how DeafRead is run, how decisions are made, who makes them and how you all decide to make changes in policy.
I appreciate that you’re listening and willing to discuss.
1) I disagree with Paotie a little bit in that I think no matter how you word your guidelines, there will always be some ambiguity. In way I think ambiguity might be a good thing. Less rules are usually better than more IMO. You need to be careful about creating too many rules.
2) Perhaps DeafRead needs to have a Board of editors or a way to rate blog posts, so that it won’t fall on one person to determine whether or not the post meets guidelines.
3) I DO agree with McConnell that personal attacks should not be allowed. Blogs that on attacking people, instead of discussing issues are unprofessional and not worthy of reading– UNLESS the people are celebs and the opinions expressed are about stuff already in the news– such as Paris Hilton or Hilary Clinton. But to drag another Deaf blogger through the dirt is unprofessional and not newsworthy.
4) It’s hard to define porn, but I would stick with the type of pics one would see in a regular public newpaper. While it’s true some may not think Paotie’s recent post didn’t look like porn. I agree it wasn’t anything you wouldn’t normally see on the front cover of Rolling Stone, it wouldn’t have been posted in Wall Street Journal or the Seattle Times. I view it as porn, and pics like that make me gag. (Sorry Paotie, my true feelings.
I hate porn. I don’t hate you, or other people who look at porn, but I do hate porn and the entire porn business. It sucks.)
5) I don’t think you can get around name-calling, slanderous comments, people calling other people liars or perverts. This will happen in comments. However, if someone writes a blog about another person who blogs in DeafRead in which he/she uses strong language against that blogger and makes accusations against that person’s honesty or character, I think he or she should be warned. If someone has nothing more to blog about than another blogger, then I think perhaps they don’t have much to say.
6) I like DeafRead Extra page, specifically because it does include fun blogs like Mountain Mama’s and Seek Geo’s which maybe have little to do with Deafness, but the articles and vlogs are interesting. Please do not get rid of it.
7) If you get many complaints about CI’ers, maybe you could create a new page for deaf people? I’m not sure about this idea because I feel that would be giving into the division between deaf and Deaf, but right now I understand that those who are blogging about CI’s, especially the moms of children with CI’s are taking a lot of flack. It’s not right!!
9) Another suggestion: Abbies idea. She mentioned on her blog a way to get hold of you guys if there were problems. It would be nice if you were more accessible. People need a place to discuss their problems LIKE THIS
. Here we are in Paotie’s blog discussing, because we don’t have another place to discuss. There should be some place bloggers can go to discuss their problems. A place they can complain about other bloggers or DeafRead or whatever. That’s all I can think of right now.
Kim –
That is what I am trying to tell JJ…….
White Ghost
We’re sounding a little testy tonight Paotie.
Is everything OK? Perhaps you need more fiber in your diet?
Thank you for removing the pics of my very own family. I didn’t check. But thanks, I appreciate it.
I do not need to check out the links of Rolling Stone magazine. We get it at the library, and I process it every month before it gets displayed, then stolen.
Kim wrote:
“While it’s true some may not think Paotie’s recent post didn’t look like porn. I agree it wasn’t anything you wouldn’t normally see on the front cover of Rolling Stone, it wouldn’t have been posted in Wall Street Journal or the Seattle Times.”
Well .. look at these Rolling Stone covers and let me know if my picture is NOT like those:
Christina Aguilera
Janet Jackson
Dawson and McGowan
Now, regarding the Wall Street Journal and the Seattle Times – neither are as low as Deafread’s standards. They have requirements for proving references and generally, to equate Deafread with either is like comparing a ricket-cart to a Mercedes-Benz.
The word was “Primetime” Network television.
Didn’t more than a few on NYPD Blue show ass for the world to see?
By the way, you’re very welcome for removing your own posted links of your own family.
Paotie
Nicole Kidman is HOT, still!
Paotie
Mike–that’s not what he’s saying. They have guidelines, but if they screw up they’ve built in a disclaimer. Almost every site does that. It’s worth noting that most manufacturers of products write disclaimers too. I have a book of funny disclaimers. Example– a tag reading “not meant for human consumption” on a fake Christmas tree, as if anyone would even think of eating it. You gotta wonder??
*scratching head*
Mayes,
RE:DeafvideoTV bullying
Deafvideo.tv is not controlled by us technically. It is 100% controlled by http://www.youtube.com and thus subject to their guidelines. Deafvideo.tv simply subscribes to any vlogger who submitted his/her youtube screen name to have us pick up his/her entries. Also, deafvideo.tv offers the ability to make video comments. In short, it runs all by itself. It’s hardly moderated and if we see something extreme, we tell youtube.com and youtube.com deletes it.
C,
Paotie’s picture was mild in my opinion, but he was pushing the envelope there. That’s why it was deleted. Damn shame because that entry was pretty good.
Also, I agree that we need to be consistent across the board at DR. We are for the most part…but we could be a tad bit more.
McConnell,
We don’t draw the line on defamation we simply do not endorse it. We just dump those entries into ‘Extra’. We simply do not ENDORSE any blog entry by the mere act of publishing. If you want to sue somebody for demfamation, go ahead. That’s your right.We at DR already put a disclaimer in the guidelines pointing out that we have ZERO RESPONSIBILITY for any conent whether on the front page or in ‘Extra’.
Kim,
1.) I agree, too many rules would be counter productive.
2.) The problem with having a board of editors is that we’d all have to vote on entries and everybody would have to wait a few hours for each entry to be approved. Too long.
3.) I am in agreement with that. Whenever we see one, we click on the ‘Extra’ button. In short, the entries worth reading are on the front page. The purpose of ‘Extra’ is to show what we are filtering out.
4.) I agree that Paotie’s recent picture of a woman covering her nipples wasn’t exactly porn, but it also wasn’t exactly clean. I believe it was more of a response to Paotie continuting to push the envelope. Like I said before…damn shame because it was a good entry…
5.) I agree and those entries go into ‘Extra’. I am starting to think we should call that page ‘Dump’ instead…maybe it’d be more clear…
6.) Hence, why we can’t call it ‘Dump’…I enjoy ‘Extra’ as well… Bottom line, we really do not want to delete anything and keep DR ‘Deaf Centric’ at the same time.
7.) That’s a bad idea!! If we had a “Deaf” page..we’d have to have a CI page…late deafened page…and so on…it would never end. Deaf people come from all walks in life..we are the most diverse culture in the world..that is if you even believe we are a ‘culture’ LOL. Yep, mothers of CI babies take waaayyy too much flack..I am a strong proponent of parental rights. It’s their friggin’ kids…they created them..they own them…deaf culture has no say in how deaf children are to be raised, IMO.
8.) Yep, for now anyone can shoot us an E-mail. Look down on the right side of DR and you will see a ‘contact us’ button. Also, after the conference in February I am going to talk to Tayler about possibly refining the guidelines a bit to make it as much black/white as possible…if that can even be done. Also, I plan to discuss creating a FAQ page complete with examples and etc…so we at DR can just link to that page instead of answer questions on all blogs..
GOING FORWARD…everyone E-mail me here:
http://www.deafread.com/email/
I am going to unsubscribe here…I am already subscribed to too many blogs today
-JJ
JJ –
I do not understand why the sponsor, sprint’s logo is in the deafvideo.TV. , not the youtube.
Number 7 — How about silentread, soundread and so forth? Let CI users, cued speech and others to participate the deafread, for example.
*laughs*
Uh-huh.
Paotie
You can “draw” a line on defamation and libel just as DR has tried to “draw” a line on pornography (“I know it when I see it”). DR just “know it” when they see it and call it either “crap” or “not clean.” Don’t they? Or maybe not?
This is not about suing. It’s about moral accountability and recognizing it. Something that DR tried to do with Paotie’s recent “Label” blog piece along with two almost naked melons. What will DR object to next? A full frontal picture of Venus de Milo to go along next in Paotie’s piece? Or something with a little more color for those who are appreciative of art? Isn’t DR accountable for their moral responsibility to ensure that “crap” or “pornography” are not published? Oh wait, you said “..we have ZERO RESPONSIBILITY for any conent whether on the front page or in ‘Extra’”
So that explains it. Might as well toss out DR’s guideline regarding any “crap” or “pornographic” blog links since you (and DR) just exempted yourself from any responsibility. Zero responsibility. Means no more worrying over moral responsibility.
Gotcha.
Because when they DO NOT post blogs then they can point to their guidelines and say, “It didn’t fit the guidelines.” If they post a blog that doesn’t fit the guidelines, then they can say, “We have a disclaimer.” What JJ is saying is they “try” to follow their guidelines. They can’t make everyone happy. They never will. I think he said they are going to look at their guidelines again.
This happens on every list or site I’ve ever belonged to. It’s just life. Except for way back when I had Compuserve. Oh Lord, we had a moderator on a Scout Leaders list. You wouldn’t believe some of the nitpicky fights. And then every once in awhile someone would post the Scouting Oath to calm everyone down, created by Baden Powell himself. What a great man– beloved the world over! hahaha! Talk about a strange bunch. But I did learn how to make a quinzee from them, and got some great Dutch oven recipes. I was a Girl Scout Leader for eight years. The skills served me well when our power went out for seven days last winter.
Yes, Kim, I understand. If they have “zero responsibility” for any content then why worry about putting out guideline with a set of rules, including “pornography” and any “crap” they may find not worth putting in the list? Why, it’d be truly neutral if you just let things go. But didn’t I detect a tinge of “moral responsibility” over there somewhere when they decide to pick and choose, and claim “neutrality” and “zero responsibility” at the same time?
That is something I do *NOT* understand about the disclaimer.
The reason why the Cyber Protection laws need to apply to the deafread’s by-laws. So that way, the guidelines can be recognized better and better.
The DR editors need to revamp the guidelines as C and I have said along.
JJ, I do appreciate your taking time to explain tidbits about DeafRead to us. I am seeing some improvements in DeafRead in becoming a more well-rounded blogsite, but I do still think that the v/bloggers need to be aware of the guidelines… they should be given some kind of agreement about accountability so that they could be more cautious and they’d know that the human editors are paying more attention. Look at what happened with John E. last year, at how human editors just let it go because it was deaf-centric even though the blogs were obviously of offensive mode.
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Thank you for your excellent blog on DR. I am shocked when I see that DR is inconsistent even with a child (mentioned in your article). Even a child can see things through. Jehanne (at http://jehanne.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/deafread-youth-needs-help/) tried to point out issues. DR came up with excuses. DR was able to move Tyler Berdy’s recent vlog (Gasoline and Electric car which is not deaf related) to DR Youth and was not able to move Jehanne’s Thanksgiving vlog and her recent deaf-related KFC vlog to DR Youth. Ouch! I left a comment on Jehanne’s vlog and told her to talk to DR again! DR needs to figure out how to do work effectively and be fair to everyone. I hope someone will do a new aggregator with better guidelines.